High-end wall outlets.

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Speedskater

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Re: High-end wall outlets.
« Reply #80 on: 3 Jun 2022, 06:09 pm »
What none of the O-scope photos ever show is the current wave-form into a big power amplifier.
Voltage O-scope probes are inexpensive compared to current probes. But it's the current wave-form that's important.

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« Reply #81 on: 3 Jun 2022, 10:27 pm »
What none of the O-scope photos ever show is the current wave-form into a big power amplifier.
Voltage O-scope probes are inexpensive compared to current probes. But it's the current wave-form that's important.

Do you have any representative links to similar wave-form plots for grid and pure sine wave inverters ?

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« Reply #82 on: 4 Jun 2022, 01:35 am »
Check out @ timecode 4:00.  The video shows a scope picture of a pure sine wave inverter, modified sine wave inverter and the grid. 

The grid scope plot has the peaks chopped off with the modified sine wave inverter being the worst waveform of the 3.

The pure sine wave inverters that I have seen have a THD rating of @ 3% with the grid supposedly worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rxSapfp4Hs

Just to make sure no one on here gets confused:

Inverters are used from pure DC sources to create AC similarly to a regenerator. A regenerator is a different device. It has some extremely similar elements except differs in 2 key respects:

1. It has a power supply that pulls from grid AC, not a DC source.

2. It is generally designed for audio use or laboratory use depending on model.

The reason #2 matters a lot is that for inverters, the buyers don't usually care about THD and as long as it is reasonably functional, it sells. For the latter types, they care about this and are usually more attentive to THD.


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Re: High-end wall outlets.
« Reply #83 on: 4 Jun 2022, 08:12 pm »
Do you have any representative links to similar wave-form plots for grid and pure sine wave inverters ?
No I haven't seen any.
There would be no marketing advantage to post poor wave-forms.

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« Reply #84 on: 4 Jun 2022, 08:22 pm »
Speed Skater wrote No I haven't seen any.
There would be no marketing advantage to post poor wave-forms.

I have been researching solar power superficially. How about inverter waveforms
https://youtu.be/1rxSapfp4Hs

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« Reply #85 on: 4 Jun 2022, 10:53 pm »
Speed Skater wrote No I haven't seen any.
There would be no marketing advantage to post poor wave-forms.

I have been researching solar power superficially. How about inverter waveforms
https://youtu.be/1rxSapfp4Hs

See post #79 forward.  We just went over that topic and video.

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=181947.msg1912653#msg1912653

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Re: High-end wall outlets.
« Reply #86 on: 4 Jun 2022, 11:02 pm »
That's funny I probably saw it here I'm interested in finding an alternative power source, anyway I like this guy  :duh:

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« Reply #87 on: 5 Jun 2022, 01:29 am »
That's funny I probably saw it here I'm interested in finding an alternative power source, anyway I like this guy  :duh:

Solar and LiFePo systems aren't cheap.  That last DIY rack system he put together is @ $20K.