[guest1632]

Dunno why your quotes button doesn't neatly put the text in the nice gray boxes, etc.  Oh well, no big deal really.  Sorry to hijack.

I am gonna try and see if these Ref 8's drive my RM/X's!  They would replace old Krell class A gear.

Ted

Hey Ted, not sure how I should put the replies? My screen access program doesn't readily see the colors, unless I tell it to look for them. Go ahead and PM me on this if you wish. Frankly, this is a bit of a pain to reply this way too. grin.
Ray

[theborg]

Hi Ray, you have BBCode disabled in your profile. You can re-enable it from the profile link at the top of the page, or let me know and I'll sort it out for you

[guest1632]

Hi Ray, you have BBCode disabled in your profile. You can re-enable it from the profile link at the top of the page, or let me know and I'll sort it out for you ;)

Hi Theborg, Is this better? Sorry folks to slightly highjack this thread, but I don't want my posts hard to read.

Ray

[Carlman]

I have read through this entire thread and think that the whole thing has a slew of great info about Nuforce amplifiers, the company, and dealers.

In fact, this whole thread is really more about Nuforce as a company and its choices in the amplifiers it designed and now has available.... and how to buy them... and so on..  I realize this is a popular subject but it belongs in Market Square... If anyone objects to me moving it there, PM me with good reasons it should stay in 2-channel.

Thanks,
Carl

[nuforce]

I think we should create different topics for NuForce under AudioCircle.
Like "NuForce for hometheater", "Speakers for NuForce", "Preamp for NuForce", "Interconnect & cable for NuForce" and keep the discussions informative and technical.
Move this thread to the market place is fine with me.
For those who like to write a review for NuForce, send it to us.
NuForce could start a discussion on our website but why bother. Since audiocircle has a big following and we would rather send people here.
We at NuForce are very appreciative of the enthusiasm and support. But this thread is getting out of control (too long) .

Jason

[Agisthos]

Well many small manufacturers have their offical website forum based here. Why dont you ask the admins to create a Nuforce group?

[lonewolfny42]

Hi Ray, you have BBCode disabled in your profile. You can re-enable it from the profile link at the top of the page, or let me know and I'll sort it out for you

Hi Theborg, Is this better? Sorry folks to slightly highjack this thread, but I don't want my posts hard to read.

Ray

Thats a whole lot better !!!  

[WerTicus]

Well many small manufacturers have their offical website forum based here. Why dont you ask the admins to create a Nuforce group?

I love this community, looking forward to participating in a new nuforce manufacturer circle!

[guest1632]

Hi Ray, you have BBCode disabled in your profile. You can re-enable it from the profile link at the top of the page, or let me know and I'll sort it out for you ;)

Hi Theborg, Is this better? Sorry folks to slightly highjack this thread, but I don't want my posts hard to read.

Ray

Thats a whole lot better !!!  :D

Thanks for the help, and now back to the newforce excitement.

[nuforce]

Go to market square and vote for NuForce manufacturer circle.
I think that's how this place works .
By the way, it is NuForce, not newforce.
I am glad NuForce becomes a popular discussion here. We will certainly help out with the cost of running this website (that's what the FAQ said, this place survives on donation ).

Jason

[WerTicus]

Donations are how it all works!

[cryotweaks]

Another veil has been lifted.

Two days ago, I unplugged the Sony 9000ES I was using as a preamp, and inserted a passive attenuator from Luminous Audio ($150).  I think they call it  the Axiom.  Anyhow I modded it by adding Silver Nextgen female RCAs to it, plus my own interconnect wire.  So it is a little different than the stock Axiom.

When I plugged it in (the RCA's, not the AC), I wasn't ready for that big of an improvement.  Getting the preamp out of the way was huge.  It was as big an improvement as the Bybees on the AC.  The soundstage grew much more 3 dimensional, and the speed, Oh man...  Before I would hear an instrument decay, like a violin and it was terrfic, but I did not realize how "opaque" that decay was.  Now the decay is also transparent, revealing details underneath that I had never heard before.  For instance, there is one violin piece, sorry can't remember the name right now, but there is a series of quick plucks from another viloin right after the lead violinist finishes playing.  Those quick plucks were masked before by the decay of the notes played by the lead violinist. Now they are there, and add another level of realism to the music.  I could only sit there, shaking my head, laughing at just how good my system sounds now.

Anyhow, you guys may want to try one of these attenuators, heck they are cheap enough.  They are sold direct by Luminous Audio Technology




It is also a testimony to the quality of the amps, revealing just how good they are.

[Hantra]

This is killing me.  I have a preamp in my house right now that I am fiending to buy b/c it's the best piece of gear I've ever had in my house.  But people I respect like preampless systems.  Although I have never heard one that didn't benefit from a GOOD preamp versus a passive, I have enjoyed getting not good pre's out of systems and replacing them with passives.  

I dunno.  Hurry up and get some 350's out!  

[Agisthos]

Thats real cheap!!

How does it compare to other passive preamps? I only wonder because of how almost everybody says the sound of passives is really clean but there is a lack of dynamics and bass with them.

[Adamay]

I've been disappointed with "digital" amps in the past in this regard.  Dynamics, speed, bass punch, power yes -- but they sound a bit sterile musically, and lack the rich tonality of good tube amps.  Perhaps the Nuforce amps -- hopefully -- have gotten this part right too.  Any thoughts on this?  Thanks.

[cryotweaks]

I've heard plenty of great passives, but if I don't have them here to do a side by side, I cannot comment accurately enough.  I can tell you I do not hear any compression of dynamics or stage width/depth.  Bass is fine as well.

I do know that the amps are getting more musical information than ever, and they just keep getting better and better.  No disappointments there at all.

[cryotweaks]

I've been disappointed with "digital" amps in the past in this regard.  Dynamics, speed, bass punch, power yes -- but they sound a bit sterile musically, and lack the rich tonality of good tube amps.  Perhaps the Nuforce amps -- hopefully -- have gotten this part right too.  Any thoughts on this?  Thanks.

Yes, to sum what has already been said.  You are correct.  Most other digital amps lack the emotional factor.  This may be due to limited bandwidth, or many other issues of conventional amplifiers.  The Nu force is different.  It is not digital per se, it is an analog switching amplifier. Read the info on their site regarding this.  Not only  that, they have a much higher bandwidth than most digital amps.  The NuForce's Frequency response extends out to 100k, which in my opinion, captures the harmonics that makes the frequencies we are capable of hearing more "real".  

I also think not having a huge, EM generating toroidal transformer in the power supply is beneficial as well.

Bottom line, the NuForce's convey emotion like no digital amp I have heard to date can.

Cheers.

[audiojerry]

This is killing me.  I have a preamp in my house right now that I am fiending to buy b/c it's the best piece of gear I've ever had in my house.  But people I respect like preampless systems.  Although I have never heard one that didn't benefit from a GOOD preamp versus a passive, I have enjoyed getting not good pre's out of systems and replacing them with passives.

If you want a good explanation of why a well designed preamp sounds better than any passive pre, submit your question to Steve Sammet of SAS. My own personal experience with several pre's confirms that they have an inherent problem that can't be overcome unless you go active.
Once you've heard his 10A, you would understand more clearly. imho  

[Occam]

...I also think not having a huge, EM generating toroidal transformer in the power supply is beneficial as well.

Why do you say that? While the typical toroidal power transformer is guilty of a multitude of sins, EM (I assume you mean electromagnetic interference, EMI) is certainly not one of them. For that problem, the toroid is the least problematic of transformers.
Conversely, one could say that a switching supply is often roiling with RFI/EMI, far more than the typical linear supply. Could you explain further?
TIA

[cryotweaks]

...I also think not having a huge, EM generating toroidal transformer in the power supply is beneficial as well.

Why do you say that? While the typical toroidal power transformer is guilty of a multitude of sins, EM (I assume you mean electromagnetic interference, EMI) is certainly not one of them. For that problem, the toroid is the least problematic of transformers.
Conversely, one could say that a switching supply is often roiling with RFI/EMI, far more than the typical linear supply. Could you explain further?
TIA

I don't claim to be an expert, I only relay what my em meter tells me.  You are right however, toroids are far less offensive than iron core transformers. My meter goes off the scale when it gets near an iron core . What other issues do transformers create?  

It might be interesting to see if there are any RFI/EMI issues with the NuForce,  but I do not have the equipment to measure that, and I am having too good of a time listening to them.  In all seriousness, I haven't heard any typical RFI grunge and harshness issues at all with these amps.