M3 Sapphires Vs. Quad Speakers

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Mr. Big

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Re: M3 Sapphires Vs. Quad Speakers
« Reply #20 on: 7 Sep 2020, 02:42 pm »
I might sell, but they would be local pickup up. I never chance to ship them. $4,000 in rebuild and power supply, plus the cost of the speakers. Kent at Electrostatic Solutions did the work, he is one of the best and cares about the work he does. He's got a good rep.

I am happy to say.

I finally read the manual! Really, Duh.

One suggestion made was 36" out front from wall to start, which I did.   It then stated wait 48 hours and either pull them further out 6" from the front wall, or back 6", whichever one gives you the most mid-bass and bass is the distance to keep. Meaning you were in a bass canceling zone, (nordal area in the room. The louder bass area is the better location.

Well in my room and I believe due to not having the wall behind me, going back 6" to 30" from the back wall made a huge difference, now they have bass, full rich and deep, I tried 33" also and that was good also, but the extra 3" back made it even more dynamic and full. Going to do the final measurements then put the spikes back on and see which way I like it the best.

I am so happy to hear the improvement, before sounds like all midrange and highs, like a small 2 way with lightweight mid-bass down. So in some rooms close to the back wall works better than further out. My room of course as bass traps and other diffusion panels. 

Mr. Big

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Re: M3 Sapphires Vs. Quad Speakers
« Reply #21 on: 12 Sep 2020, 05:01 pm »
After 6 days of playing them they have changed night and day, the woofers have opened up and become much more dynamic, deep and the midrange has gained body and the highs extended and airy. I will comment on this in a few weeks. How much change? I pulled the subs out of the system. I put the taller spikes on and that really made a positive effect, unlike when I first hooked them up using the shorter spike. In fact, I like no spikes, this is how much everything has improved.

Anyone who buys these speakers needs to allow time for those woofers to open up, if not you will want to give up, don't they only need time in use. The M3's are not thin or bright sounding, they are dynamic sounding, depending on your past speakers that can take some adjustment. Mid-bass has improved as the woofers loosened up. Much more output now from the lower mid-range down, but the clarity of the midrange and highs remains. Just listened to the Cleveland Orch under Szell. The sound was dead-on correct, the Orch and Szell had there own sound signature. It was reproduced properly.



I am sure these will continue to improve over the next month, so I will update this post then. So far these speakers are living up to the high expectations set by owners and reviewers, and Clayton himself. He has built a classic at a great price.

Mr. Big

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Re: M3 Sapphires Vs. Quad Speakers
« Reply #22 on: 4 Oct 2020, 03:59 pm »
10/2/2020: The Spatial M3's continue to improve. No sub needed, in fact adding subs with these speakers really impairs the sound no matter the setting as low as 35 Hz, it throws the balance of the speaker off, Clayton also mentioned this that this could happen because you're adding back to the room what the OB speakers were designed to avoid. The Woofers on the M3's are just to fast and open. They actually made the speakers sound bright. Go figure. Another thing about these speakers, they tell you in a minute on any changes you make in your system down to the power cord powering the amplifier.

If I had to say one thing that took some time to adjust to is how open and boxless these speakers are, the music is just there in space with details, speed, and realism. I have them locked into my room now, but I am sure I try them a bit further apart to see if they can be further improved. But now I just want to sit back and enjoy them. All recordings sound fresh, with new insights, I would not call this speaker analytical, it an open window to the recording. Bass is strong but clean, a stand-up bass sounds natural, not slow or booming like a sealed bass tends to reproduce, sounds like a real stand up bass, light and agile at times, then a growl yet while remaining open sounding like life.

Vocals are another strong point, you hear all the nuances and the power of the vocal range. Highs are very open, in fact on a Dead Can Dance recording I heard the faintest ring of bells towards the end of one track, I've never heard them before. My journey with these speakers has been an education, how far they have come and improved and how I learned about them and setup, but also to follow Clayton advise, give them the much-needed time to break-in and you will be rewarded. Played some Telarc Classical recordings that I know quite well and the M3's nailed them with ease, no stress, no strain, no distortion, music just flowed I just felt like sitting back and enjoying the performance.

As far as I know, these still may not fully be delivering what they are capable of. I've not put the hours on them as many as stated they need. I am also now firm on these speakers sound better without the spikes in the front of the speaker in my room, not even close now. Improvements: More Dynamics, Presence, Better highs, and mid-bass and bottom end all now night and day better. Jim Smith wrote an article on spiking speakers and he found about the same as I have in my 35 years in this hobby, most of the time they do more harm than good. A kettle drum in back of the hall on a recording came to life without the spikes, sounded like the real deal, deeper, clearer and more dynamic.

https://www.psaudio.com/article/spiking-your-speakers-whats-the-point/

Along with my Quads ESL 63 speakers that were fully rebuilt from the power supply up, these are some of the best speakers I've heard/owned in 30 years in this hobby. Pictures of my room along with room treatments which I am sure really help me get the sound that I am enjoying, your room is always a big part of the final sound you hear. I can now fully and easily hear even a change of one power cord anywhere in the system, heard them before but not to such an extent. Tells you how transparent these speakers are without being bright. My question now is if I might add a tube preamp in the mix to go along with my McIntosh amp. PrimaLuna EVO 400 comes to mind.

geerock

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Re: M3 Sapphires Vs. Quad Speakers
« Reply #23 on: 4 Oct 2020, 04:14 pm »
Mr. Big,
Consider a Don Sachs pre.  Custom made for you, uses the killer 6sn7 tubes, less expensive, and the tube circuit cruises along at a lower voltage so you aren't burning through tubes.  Prima Luna is a nice middle of the road piece but no one that I know have been anything but very pleased with the DS pre.  Just putting out another option for you.

Archguy

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« Reply #24 on: 16 Oct 2020, 11:16 pm »
Thanks for the updates Mr Big. Very useful and informative.

abd1

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Re: M3 Sapphires Vs. Quad Speakers
« Reply #25 on: 17 Oct 2020, 01:49 am »
Mr. Big,
Consider a Don Sachs pre.  Custom made for you, uses the killer 6sn7 tubes, less expensive, and the tube circuit cruises along at a lower voltage so you aren't burning through tubes.  Prima Luna is a nice middle of the road piece but no one that I know have been anything but very pleased with the DS pre.  Just putting out another option for you.

Agreed. Primaluna stuff is excellent too. However, I have the same preamp that's available for sale here and I love it.

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=172898.msg1827578#new

Archguy

Re: M3 Sapphires Vs. Quad Speakers
« Reply #26 on: 17 Oct 2020, 11:12 pm »
^^^ That's a beautiful component.

Big Red Machine

Re: M3 Sapphires Vs. Quad Speakers
« Reply #27 on: 18 Oct 2020, 12:37 am »
It's nice to see you have played around with these and kept showing improvements. Well done. I'd like to have a dang audio show again so I can listen to these OB's.