JVC RX-F10 arrived this weekend

Red Dragon Audio · « **Reply #20 on:** 2 Mar 2005, 04:13 am »

I think I'm going to try and find myself in Orange County one of these days just by accident...maybe it will be a "business trip". ..

JeffB · « **Reply #21 on:** 2 Mar 2005, 07:24 am »

The JVC RX-F10 has the following outputs:
DVR out -- Digital Video Recorder out
VCR out
Monitor out
Digital optical out

I can't comment on the pre-out vs fixed volume output level. I don't understand the difference. The manual says nothing much about them.

The DVR, VCR and Monitor outs all have matching inputs too, labeled DVD/DVR In, VCR In and TV In.

The manual states not to place an EQ between the source and an input on the JVC as it may cause distortion. I don't know why. I have run my TV audio out into the JVC DVD in. When the TV was set to variable volume, I got distortion. When set to fixed volume it sounded fine. I frequently run the variable output into my SI though with no problems. So there may be some strange impedance issues with inputs/outputs?

mcgsxr · « **Reply #22 on:** 2 Mar 2005, 12:13 pm »

JeffB, a fixed volume output is just that - the same "loudness" will come out of the amp, regardless of the setting of the amp's volume control.

A pre-out's volume will fluctuate with the rotation of the volume control.

So, if you attach a power amp to the fixed volume output, you will always have 1 setting for the volume of your system...

If you attach a power amp to the pre-out, you will be able to vary the volume of your system.

Not sure what exactly the F-10 has, since I had the ES-1, but I suspect that it has ONLY a fixed volume output, and would therefor be not that useful to use as a preamp... unless you LOVE the 1 volume that it produces, for all listening!

Andrikos · « **Reply #23 on:** 2 Mar 2005, 01:46 pm »

Thank you Jeff.
Bummer, the search continues I'm afraid...

Red Dragon Audio · « **Reply #24 on:** 2 Mar 2005, 06:04 pm »

Quote from: Andrikos

Thank you Jeff.
Bummer, the search continues I'm afraid...

Andrikos

Don't give up so quickly; you can still use the JVC F10...you'll just need two of them; at least I think.

Here is what I have in my head:

Source/CDP ======>Behringer DEX2496 EQ/Crossover======>(2 F10's)

JVC F10=======>Left speaker

(use the left channel to drive the ribbons and the right channel to drive the woofers)

JVC F10=======>Right speaker

You will set the volume control equal on both F10's and use one remote to control them all.

From what I have read from JVC F10 owners is that the auxiliary inputs are the best to use for 2channel listening. So you will use just those inputs on each F10. Here is a picture to better describe what I'm talking about:

Horizons · « **Reply #25 on:** 2 Mar 2005, 06:53 pm »

Quote from: JeffB

The manual states not to place an EQ between the source and an input on the JVC as it may cause distortion. I don't know why. I have run my ...

I am running my CD transport into a DAC, then to a tube stage with variable gain then to a passive inline xover then to the main DVD and surround inputs. I then wire my Maggie woofers to the main speaker outputs and the surround outputs to the Maggie tweeters. No problems at all. I use the tube gain stage because my DAC is a passive output stage and the inline passive xover attenuates the signal by 2 db.

The JVC F10 has a 47K input impedance but I see no reason that you could not add an additional gain stage or EQ prior to the inputs. You should only get added distortion if you are overloading (>2V?) the input stage of the JVC. Maybe your EQ has very high gain?

I tweaked my tube gain stage to roughly equal the main outputs of my Sony CD player (222ES) that now functions only as a transport.

Hope this makes sense and might be helpful...

Andrikos · « **Reply #26 on:** 2 Mar 2005, 07:01 pm »

Holy crap!
That's a GREAT diagram!
Thanks a bunch Ryan,.
I'll think about it, it definitely looks very doable.

Red Dragon Audio · « **Reply #27 on:** 2 Mar 2005, 08:23 pm »

Quote from: Horizons

I am running my CD transport into a DAC, then to a tube stage with variable gain then to a passive inline xover then to the main DVD and surround inputs. I then wire my Maggie woofers to the main speaker outputs and the surround outputs to the Maggie tweeters. No problems at all. I use the tube gain stage because my DAC is a passive output stage and the inline passive xover attenuates the signal by 2 db.

The JVC F10 has a 47K input impedance but I see no reason that you could not add an additional gain ...

You are correct in that you will cause the JVC to clip if you input more than the 2V input level restriction. You might not notice it at first, but once the input voltage spikes over 2V you will certainly hear it...at least I would think you'll hear some nasty clipping but i don't know how the Tripath amps clip yet...don't have one to test out. ..

Texas42 · « **Reply #28 on:** 3 Mar 2005, 03:40 am »

I just got my JVC F10 today and have a question concerning assigning inputs. My components should be simple enough to configure I would think (just a DSS and DVD) but it doesn't seem have the inputs I am looking for unless they are assignable in some way. I have a Sony HD DSS/DVR in which I'd like to use the component video cables instead of a single RCA or SVideo cable. I have my SACD/DVD player already occupying the DVR/DVD component input slot on the back of the JVC. There is a component video out I have going from the JVC to the my HD TV. Right now, the only way I can connect my Sony DSS/DVR via component video is to use the last component input on the JVC which is labeled for VCR (I can't understand why they would label an 'older' technology VCR for component and label the newer DSS/DBS for Super Video or RCA??). It works this way, but I'd like to be able to 'rename' the VCR as DBS or DSS etc...Can this be done? For audio, I have an optical cable (TOSLINK) running from my DSS to VCR (optical) digital input on the JVC. While I would like to hook up my old VCR to the F10, that would have to be straight RCA cables as it lacks both SuperVideo and Component outs (I rarely use the VCR). Anyone out there with any ideas or does this unit lack the capabilities to do what I want? Any information greatly appreciated.

Texas42 · « **Reply #29 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 03:21 am »

Well, in case anyone else has the same question, I found the answer via JVC support. You CAN'T rename the component video inputs to other devices. In my case, if I want to watch my HDTV via component video, I'll just have to watch it on the VCR input, not DBS or TV. Not the answer I was hoping for but I guess you can't expect everything for $230...

On the plus side, it does sound very dynamic with both my Klipsch RF-7s and Magnepan MMG's. It 'sounds' better than my Yamaha RX-V1400, but the Yamaha is far better built and more flexible (as it should be considering it's retail cost vs. the JVC). The Video is better on the Yamaha... I wish JVC (or someone else) would make a digital receiver with more video inputs and better speaker posts along with the same type of sound. Eventually, I guess...

Horizons · « **Reply #30 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 05:08 pm »

Quote from: Texas42

I wish JVC (or someone else) would make a digital receiver with more video inputs and better speaker posts along with the same type of sound. Eventually, I guess...

Ditto, I find it amazing that a major consumer electronics company has not already put it all together in one box. They all lack something. I only use the JVC F10 for 2 channel listening. I have a separate Sony system for HT.

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #31 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 05:48 pm »

Our cake, and the ability to eat it, too, maybe forthcoming....

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=15838

Red Dragon Audio · « **Reply #32 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 06:22 pm »

Quote from: TheChairGuy

Our cake, and the ability to eat it, too, myabe forthcoming....
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=15838

Much better looking than previous models and the specs look very good too.

Hopefully this time there are standard binding posts on the back that can be replaced with higher quality/better sounding posts (that would make the mod so much easier).

Horizons · « **Reply #33 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 08:34 pm »

The top-end RX-D701S/702B, with a power output of 150W x 7, features an aluminum front panel and offers HDMI, wireless USB-PC link, a dedicated input for satellite radio and an on-screen display to make receiver adjustments as convenient as possible. Other features include a dual-mode CC Converter and a multi-brand glow remote control.

Multiple inputs and outputs allow the RX-D701S/702B to accommodate a wide range of sources. For analog audio, there are five inputs and two outputs, while audio digital inputs include three assignable optical inputs, one optical output and an assignable coaxial input. The video side features S-Video (four inputs, three outputs), composite (four inputs, three outputs), and component (two inputs, one output). The RX-D701S/702B will be available in July at a nationally advertised value of $879.95.

tubeytubeamp · « **Reply #34 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 09:00 pm »

The new receivers are now on pre-order from J and R music world.

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4026164

SET Man · « **Reply #35 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 10:35 pm »

Quote from: tubeytubeamp

The new receivers are now on pre-order from J and R music world.

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4026164

Hi guy.

I just got the RX-f10 yesterday to be use with my TV and as second system in livingroom.

So far I'm very impress with the sound and I have not try it with my main system yet.

Hmmmm.... I see that there is a new model and cheaper too

Sooooo.... now should I return the F10 and wait for the new 201? Will it be better than the F10? Man! what should I do?

Thanks all,
Buddy

tubeytubeamp · « **Reply #36 on:** 5 Mar 2005, 03:37 pm »

http://Sooooo.... now should I return the F10 and wait for the new 201? Will it be better than the F10? Man! what should I do?

I'm going to wait until some of you guys buy one of the new receivers and compare it to both of the older models before I make my decision. I was already to jump on the F10 until Chairguy said that the es1sl sounded better with music.

You guys have been an invaluable resource to me.

Thanks
Dennis

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #37 on:** 5 Mar 2005, 07:10 pm »

Where does it say that this new one uses the hybrid digital tech? I don't seem to see it.

SET Man · « **Reply #38 on:** 5 Mar 2005, 07:27 pm »

Quote from: ooheadsoo

Where does it say that this new one uses the hybrid digital tech? I don't seem to see it.

I think is say right on the front panel of the unit. Same as the older one, but 1 more channel and more features I think.

Hmmm... now should I return the F10 and wait for the new one?

Buddy

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #39 on:** 5 Mar 2005, 07:37 pm »

Buddy: only if you feel like taking a chance with taking one for the team