Rocket espresso machines

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Ice10

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Rocket espresso machines
« on: 25 Jul 2020, 04:07 pm »
Hello,

Being new I’m unable to search the site but I wanted to ask if anyone has experience with Rocket Espresso machines.  We’re looking at the Apartmento model which appears to check all the boxes for us. Thoughts on this brand/model?
Thank you

Philistine

Re: Rocket espresso machines
« Reply #1 on: 1 Aug 2020, 05:01 pm »
I bought a Profitec espresso machine a few years ago, but did spend a lot of research time looking at all the brands in my price bracket (including Rocket).  In the end it came down to which features that were important to me and style, it was the Profitec that ticked all my boxes and was easy to work on (it will require maintenance and repairs at some point in the future).  I could have easily have gone with a Rocket as they're great machines with excellent reviews, consequently I believe you'll be more than happy with the Rocket.

Earlier in the year I went on a barista training course, they had pro Italian espresso multi-brew head machines and a $4k grinder.  We did a few demos using the pro gear, cheaper grinders and a $200 home espresso machine.  I already knew this, but we confirmed that you can make great espresso from most espresso machines - the most important component is the grinder - you need a good grinder to make great espresso.  Using the $5k grinder and the $200 espresso machine gave a better result than the cheaper grinder and pro espresso station.  This is counter intuitive and it took me years to accept, once I bought a decent grinder it made a huge step change in the quality and reproducibilty of my espresso's.  This experience is why I make the comment that all espresso machines are equal in performance at the same price point.

I would focus on the best grinder, if you don't already have one, in your price bracket. 
Here's a good grinder overview:
https://nymag.com/strategist/article/best-coffee-grinders.html

This is the grinder we used on the training course:
https://simonelliusa.com/products/ns-mythos-grinder.asp
Outside my price comfort zone!

I bought a matching Profitec grinder, prior to this I had a Rancilio Rocky - a great grinder for the price but the Profitec grinder was a major step change in espresso quality.  My Rocky is now dialed in for other coffee grinding duties (Aeropress grinding).

Ice10

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Re: Rocket espresso machines
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 03:07 am »
Thank you Philistine for your input.  I purchased the Rocket however the Profitec 500 was my first choice. The machine is for my wife’s birthday and she liked the Rocket and so that’s what is showing up on Monday.
 
During college I worked every summer (and sometimes during the year) in a coffeehouse so I was fortunate to get several years of making every coffee drink imaginable so I’m hopeful that experience will come in handy.

Your comments regarding the importance of a quality grinder are especially helpful. This is admittedly a weak part of my planning as I figured, at least for the short term, I was going to purchase ground espresso beans or possibly buy a manual grinder.  I think I need to revisit that now. The biggest issue is that my wife hates counter and cabinet cluttering appliances so while the espresso machine was one thing, the grinder is going to be more of a battle. Especially given the prices that quality grinders command.  I’ll check out the links you provided regarding grinders and start plotting...
Thank you again.

Philistine

Re: Rocket espresso machines
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 02:55 pm »
The Handground grinder in the NY Strategist article might be an interesting option?  It’s inexpensive and you can store it in a cupboard when its not being used....

I roast Joshuma Malabar Monsoon Gold:
https://www.josuma.com/malabar-gold/
When you have a grinder send me a pm and I’ll send you a lb for your wife to try :thumb:

A former AC contributor introduced me to Paradise Coffee Roasters, they have highly rated espresso coffees that can be bought as green beans or roasted:
https://paradiseroasters.com/collections/espresso

If you have a good local roaster that’s the best option, if I had one close by I wouldn’t go through the hassle of roasting!   Other  advice is never buy beans from Starbucks, unless you need reminding how bad over roasted coffee is!!!  One of the main suppliers of green beans, Sweet Maria’s, reported that the largest participant in bidding for specialty beans is Target.  I’ve tried some of Targets espresso beans, and they’re also very good.

guf

Re: Rocket espresso machines
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 05:33 pm »
I agree with everything said above about the importance of a quality grinder. Its a hard sell to get someone to spend more on a grinder than the machine.  that's like telling some one to buy room treatments instead of new electronics. until you experience it you its hard to imagine the importance.  I went from good, better, best on the grinder. Amazing improvement each step. I single dose my Compak k10 and its real big and a presence on my espresso table. but necessary. They can look good together. The hard part if the constant mess the grinds make. Luckily I live alone but will live with my appliance clutter hating partner eventually and have to figure something out.  The Rockets are beautiful looking machines. I hand grind when I travel and it becomes a chore when making coffee for others. Orphan espresso makes a grinder that uses the same burrs as the pro machines. great end result but not easy to use. good luck. Starting with a great beautiful machine has you on the right path.

Doublej

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Re: Rocket espresso machines
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 09:38 pm »
Philistine,

What was the $200 espresso machine that was used in the demonstration?

Ice10

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Re: Rocket espresso machines
« Reply #6 on: Today at 12:07 am »
Thank you all!  Sometimes my stupidly works in my favor as I decided to talk to my wife about grinders and to my surprise when I brought up the subject the first thing out of her mouth was ‘will this new grinder replace the one that we have?’.  And sure enough I completely forget that we have an old, cheap grinder we bought at Costco years ago already sitting on our counter (we use for our French press)!

And the best part is my wife took it upon herself to research the subject and has already mentioned the Breville Smart Grinder Pro as being something she’d consider. It’s definitely on the lower end but it’s not the worst starting point considering how frugal my wife can be.

Thanks again for all the help!