Tyson's Line Force Review

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #60 on: 10 Jan 2020, 07:28 pm »
OK Tyson,

You’ve been Home awhile now. The initial thrill is gone. You’ve had time to reflect on your experiences at Danny’s. You’ve listened to your Super 7’s in your own environment again.

IF Danny ever manages to get the replacement Neo 10’s to sound right........


Are you saving up all your pennies for a pair of the Line Force Speakers?  :green:

Tyson

Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #61 on: 10 Jan 2020, 07:37 pm »
OK Tyson,

You’ve been Home awhile now. The initial thrill is gone. You’ve had time to reflect on your experiences at Danny’s. You’ve listened to your Super 7’s in your own environment again.

IF Danny ever manages to get the replacement Neo 10’s to sound right........


Are you saving up all your pennies for a pair of the Line Force Speakers?  :green:

Out of my price range :(  And the only room I could put them in would be the garden level basement where I have the Super 7s and the space is just too small for a line array and separate bass towers. 

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« Reply #62 on: 10 Jan 2020, 08:11 pm »
  A very good reason indeed. Exactly my reason for not using the Pipedream 924 in my room. Needed more space. Downsized with a speaker that fits my room. Best move I made realizing bigger is NOT better. Better is better. Need to give Danny a thank you for suggesting the crossover point to sub. Danny was spot on. Listen to Danny every chance you get.

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #63 on: 12 Jan 2020, 01:09 pm »
@Tyson;   Just to give me some context, have you ever heard Apogees and if so I’d be interested in your comments on similarities / dissimilarities  with the Line Force speakers. TIA.

Tyson

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« Reply #64 on: 13 Jan 2020, 02:38 am »
Yes I have, many many many times.  One of my very first "audio buddies" here in Denver had a pair of Apogee Full Range speakers set up in his dedicated basement.  Paired them with dual floor to ceiling DIY subs, and the rest of the equipment was Ayre at first, but eventually all got replaced by Pass Labs, the X250's I believe. 

There's things I love about the Apogees - first, they are big, so they scale up in a way that small speakers just can't.  Second they are open baffle so they have the effortless sound that box speakers have a very hard time replicating.  And with those crazy Pass amps, they were also quite dynamic. 

The downsides - they always sounded somewhat aggressive and with a bit of and edge to the sound.  It was less noticeable at lower volumes but started to rear up with moderate and high levels.  Not sure if it's because they were metal but I suspect it was.  And they never sounded fully integrated even if you sat a fair bit of distance away from them.  Last, but not least, bass without a sub was not strong/deep enough (although it was very clean/musical), and integrating a sub (or subs) was a nightmare. 

In comparison the Lineforce has none of those problems.  One of the things that amazed me so much about this is their ability to go loud on a dynamic peak and not sound hard/aggressive AT ALL.  In fact they are just about the only speaker I've ever heard that can play loud and still sound delicate/beautiful at the same time all hell is breaking loose!  Not even my Super 7s can do that.

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #65 on: 13 Jan 2020, 02:49 am »
I concur on the sound of the Apogees, at least from what I remember in the 80's. I considered a pair of Divas in the last 80's. When I went to listen to them with my wife, she walked out after two minutes saying they gave her a headache - she is more sensitive to high frequency harshness than I am.

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #66 on: 13 Jan 2020, 03:02 am »
Anyone care to give an estimate on what size of room minimum you would need to extract the full performance or close to it of the line force?

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #67 on: 13 Jan 2020, 03:31 am »
I have a larger pair of line array in a 10'h x 16'w x 25.2'd acoustically treated room with two 6x12 H-Frame servo subs.  Works very well for me.

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« Reply #68 on: 13 Jan 2020, 01:48 pm »
Thanks!  I am looking to move into a new house and my audio room would be 16' x 14' x 9.5'h.  My thought is is that might still not be adequate enough to let the speakers fully perform. 

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #69 on: 13 Jan 2020, 10:48 pm »
Tyson, did you have a chance to listen to the NX Oticas?

Wondering how the NX Oticas compare to the Super V's?

Thanks!

David

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #70 on: 13 Jan 2020, 10:51 pm »
Thanks!  I am looking to move into a new house and my audio room would be 16' x 14' x 9.5'h.  My thought is is that might still not be adequate enough to let the speakers fully perform.
Based on my experience of planars / dipoles I would have thought that room would be big enough provided you are happy for them to be at least 6 feet away from the front wall.

Captainhemo

Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #71 on: 15 Jan 2020, 07:18 pm »
Tyson, did you have a chance to listen to the NX Oticas?

Wondering how the NX Oticas compare to the Super V's?

Thanks!

David

No  Super - V comparison but   his review non the less
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=167138.0

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #72 on: 15 Jan 2020, 07:58 pm »
@Tyson;   Just to give me some context, have you ever heard Apogees and if so I’d be interested in your comments on similarities / dissimilarities  with the Line Force speakers. TIA.


   Apogees have a warmer character. Not as detailed as well.

charles

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Re: Tyson's Line Force Review
« Reply #73 on: 15 Jan 2020, 10:02 pm »
Tyson, did you have a chance to listen to the NX Oticas?

Wondering how the NX Oticas compare to the Super V's?

Thanks!

David

I wrote a very brief comparison here.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=141654.msg1762014#msg1762014