Crystal 10s now what.....suggestions appreciated

guf · « **on:** 13 Nov 2019, 09:51 pm »

So I got caught in the hype. Purchased these, forgot and now they are here. I know I can read, and I have read a lot of the Decware thread. But whats the quickest way to get these up and running. I have tools and some skills as a carpenter. Thanks in advanced!

guf · « **Reply #1 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:01 pm »

ok i see there has been a lot of pages added to the big betsy page..... getting caught up.

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:06 pm »

It rated at 93dB spl, so best option to my taste could be the Barrel OB panel and a passive wooffer or a active sub under 100/200Hz to be tested in the room.

A Bass Reflex box is not my favorite for this FR.

opnly bafld · « **Reply #3 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:33 pm »

Quote from: FullRangeMan on 13 Nov 2019, 10:06 pm

It rated at 93dB spl

Website has 99

guf · « **Reply #4 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:34 pm »

Quote from: FullRangeMan on 13 Nov 2019, 10:06 pm

It rated at 93dB spl, so best option to my taste could be the Barrel OB panel and a passive wooffer or a active sub under 100/200Hz to be tested in the room.

A Bass Reflex box is not my favorite for this FR.

hmmm isn't it 99?

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #5 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:36 pm »

Here they say 93dB:
https://www.lii-audio.com/index.php/product/new-top-hifi-audio-speaker-driver-10-full-range-crystal-cone-high-end-crystal-10-in-pair/
Do your driver is this?

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #6 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:39 pm »

99dB is the Fast10S model:

guf · « **Reply #7 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:42 pm »

its ok guys up and running

guf · « **Reply #8 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:43 pm »

i ordered this one. Isn't item 17 the number we are looking for?

opnly bafld · « **Reply #9 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 10:52 pm »

Better buy new eye glasses fullrange dude.

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #10 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 11:05 pm »

Correct this is 99.1dB sorry.
With this hi sensitivity a big Bass Reflex box also turns interesting to fit a small tube amp. Just see they have a 15'' woofer to match the 10'' full range.
https://www.lii-audio.com/index.php/product/15-inch-woofer-1-pair-2pcs-for-bass-compensation-of-open-baffle-or-cabinet-w-15/

mresseguie · « **Reply #11 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 11:45 pm »

Guf,

Two points:

That’s really cool how you did that with the drivers and Isoacoustics stands. Can you snap close up photos to show details?

Second: How the hell did you manage to sneak into my kitchen; remove one of my coffee cups to snap that photo, and sneak it back into my kitchen without my noticing??

opnly bafld · « **Reply #12 on:** 13 Nov 2019, 11:54 pm »

Quote from: FullRangeMan on 13 Nov 2019, 11:05 pm

Just see they have a 15'' woofer to match the 10'' full range.

They also have a 12"

guf · « **Reply #13 on:** 14 Nov 2019, 01:00 am »

Quote from: mresseguie on 13 Nov 2019, 11:45 pm

Guf,

Two points:

That’s really cool how you did that with the drivers and Isoacoustics stands. Can you snap close up photos to show details?

Second: How the hell did you manage to sneak into my kitchen; remove one of my coffee cups to snap that photo, and sneak it back into my kitchen without my noticing??

thats definitly mine, it has a chip in it. if I did have yours, not saying I do but I'd for sure not get busted and post it.

Second pic is the simpler version. They are aim directly at my now. I have a Rythmik F8 under my desk. So it suprisely sounds ok. Powering with a 45 amp and Slagle passive pre.

guf · « **Reply #14 on:** 15 Nov 2019, 04:58 pm »

so we got kinda lost with suggestions.... but now I have to ask why do i need a baffle? what does it do? makes bass?

FullRangeMan · « **Reply #15 on:** 15 Nov 2019, 05:13 pm »

Quote from: guf on 15 Nov 2019, 04:58 pm

so we got kinda lost with suggestions.... but now I have to ask why do i need a baffle? what does it do? makes bass?

OB speakers need baffles to hold the drivers and enhance bass, unless they are very big, even the Fostex 32'' was suggested to a BR box by the manufacturer.
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/fw800hs-1.png

Brad · « **Reply #16 on:** 15 Nov 2019, 05:19 pm »

In the nearfield like that, I'd think a minimal baffle would work, just to enhance/fill out the sound a bit. Maybe something 2-3" outside the driver. There's not room for much there. I like the simplicity of the setup.

Russell Dawkins · « **Reply #17 on:** 15 Nov 2019, 05:22 pm »

Quote from: FullRangeMan on 15 Nov 2019, 05:13 pm

Speakers need baffles to hold the drivers and enhance bass, unless they are very big, even the Fostex 32'' was suggested to a BR box by the manufacturer.
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/images/products/secondary/fw800hs-1.png

Some of the numbers related to that Fostex 32" are surprising—the magnet weight, the sensitivity and the xmax, for example.

guf · « **Reply #18 on:** 15 Nov 2019, 05:35 pm »

Quote from: Brad on 15 Nov 2019, 05:19 pm

In the nearfield like that, I'd think a minimal baffle would work, just to enhance/fill out the sound a bit. Maybe something 2-3" outside the driver. There's not room for much there. I like the simplicity of the setup.

Yeah. Nearfield make this all possible I guess. But even standing up and stepping a few feet away I was thinking the glass and the corners were "helping". I have my F8 under the desk playing up to 125. I was just breaking in and expirmenting with the desktop. My plan was to put then in a betsy stlyle baffle and maybe even keep them on the desk. But a littler baffle sounds more attractive.

I've tried so many different options on here. Blumenstein, omegas, all varieties, I had a rediculous Hersey III on here last week and loved it. These are fun.

opnly bafld · « **Reply #19 on:** 15 Nov 2019, 05:42 pm »

If you are planning to use them on the desk I would suggest a small baffle with shallow sides.

Edit: shallow open back box is a better description of what I was thinking.