Listening, Comparing, Headphone Stuff Discussion

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Listening, Comparing, Headphone Stuff Discussion
« on: 8 Oct 2019, 04:57 pm »
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Re: Listening, Comparing, Headphone Stuff Discussion
« Reply #1 on: 8 Oct 2019, 06:04 pm »
I don't get very scientific about my comparisons. I see the value in doing that if you're trying to review something, but in general I try something, decide if I like it or not. Then focus on the details that I do/don't like, the "key points" of the combo. If I really like it, and it's in my price range, I take it home.

I'm a big believer that system synergy is a big part of things. Overtime you find some components that have more synergy with a wider range of gear, but overall you are always listening to a system. Listening to a piece of gear in a few systems helps you more quickly define what elements of that piece stand out. But no matter how objective a test can be, sometimes you just like something better. I think the ability to articulate WHY you like that system more is what helps you find gear down the road that you'll likely also enjoy.

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« Reply #2 on: 8 Oct 2019, 07:53 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: 9 Oct 2019, 01:25 pm »
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« Reply #4 on: 9 Oct 2019, 04:33 pm »
Gee whiz Alex, it looks like a laboratory at your house.. lol

The fun is gonna be starting for me, as I was reading your post I received a delivery of an
Auralic Taurus MK ll headphone amp that I recently purchased. I’m interested to hear what
it sounds like with the Senn, HD 800S using the balanced connection.

I’ll let you know how things pan out. fun, fun fun.. lol

Jerry

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« Reply #6 on: 10 Oct 2019, 03:36 pm »
Gee whiz Alex, it looks like a laboratory at your house.. lol

The fun is gonna be starting for me, as I was reading your post I received a delivery of an
Auralic Taurus MK ll headphone amp that I recently purchased. I’m interested to hear what
it sounds like with the Senn, HD 800S using the balanced connection.

I’ll let you know how things pan out. fun, fun fun.. lol

Jerry

Congrats on the purchase of the Auralic, Jerry!  Please let us know your impressions!  I considered the Auralic as a potential amp for HD800S but ended up going with a Violectric V281 (got a good deal on a used one in great condition).  I did read a lot of positive reviews about the Auralic.


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« Reply #7 on: 10 Oct 2019, 03:37 pm »
Testing Session with Amps and Focal Clears....

Fun times!




Alex

Love the pic, Alex.  I agree with Jerry - it looks like you have a sound lab in your home, and it looks awesome!  How's the Magni 3 faring against all those bigger sized amps?


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« Reply #8 on: 10 Oct 2019, 06:58 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: 10 Oct 2019, 07:00 pm »

Life is Short....enjoy the music while you can!


Truer words could not have been spoken.   :D

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« Reply #10 on: 22 Oct 2019, 02:13 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: 22 Oct 2019, 05:06 pm »
Alex,

I’ve had that (something doesn’t sound right) to me on occasion and also thought.. WTF..  Last week I was listening
to the Ananda’s with the Auralic headphone amp and the listening experience wasn’t up to par.. Maybe the amp wasn’t
warmed up enough or the Ananda’s still weren’t broken in.. I listened to the Ananda’s with the Darkvoice last night for
a couple of hours and the sound quality was superb to my ears..

I also rotate my amps and headphones every few days and making it a point of listening to different recordings that I
haven’t listened to in a long time. So far, I don’t have much to complain about…

Well… with Christmas coming, I was thinking of a new tube amp or new tubes for the Darkvoice. I read on some forums
that the Darkvoice could sound better with a different set of tubes.. I really don’t want to start going down that rabbit hole.
I’ve been thinking about this for a while now but the answer I want to hear (while talking to myself) has not happened..
lol and WTF

Jerry
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« Reply #12 on: 22 Oct 2019, 06:55 pm »
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« Reply #13 on: 23 Oct 2019, 12:19 am »
Allow me to echo the "WTF" sentiment.

I think it's our human nature.  As "audiophiles", we are constantly striving for that last bit of musical enjoyment.  I hesitate to say musical perfection, because we all know that that doesn't exist.  I think the more we spend on gear and equipment, the higher our expectations are that the products we buy will provide a higher level of musical satisfaction.  When we don't reap the satisfaction we expect, we say "WTF".  There are so many variables, though, that confound our perceptions.  There's the choice of music.  Quality of recording.  Pressing of recording (if vinyl).  Quality of source components.  Our mood at the time of listening.  The time of day when listening.  The list goes on and on.

Alex, I empathize with you and your feeling with the Clears.  I just bought the HD800S.  It sounded absolutely amazing in the store when I auditioned it.  It sounds wonderful at home through my iFi IDSD Pro DAC and Violectric V281 amp.  Then I listened to my ZMF Aeolus and my world was turned upside down.  The sound signature was so different - not as open as the HD800S, but there was a warmth and organic nature to the sound that was so appealing.  The bass had that much more heft to it.  I went back to the HD800S and asked myself, "WTF?"  I paid a lot more for the new HD800S than for the used Aeolus.  Then I tried listening to the headphones using the headphone amp of the iFi DAC and compared it with the sound from the Violectric.  It wasn't a night and day difference.  Maybe the Violectric had a slight upper hand, but again, "WTF".  Could I have been just using the iFi as both DAC and amp?  Could I have been as happy having purchased a less expensive DAC and amp?  Is this all in my head that I expect that these "quality" items should bring me to a level of musical nirvana?  Or is it wrong to expect anything to begin with?  WTF!   :lol:

Sorry if I am waxing philosophical here, but I've been mulling these questions throughout the day.  Reading your posts just made me want to put my thoughts down in words. 


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« Reply #14 on: 23 Oct 2019, 12:55 am »

I think we all have had those moments.  Recently, when I picked up the Sonarworks  True-Fi application hosted on an Alienware computer, the headphone experience took a dramatic turn.  Using a pair of Sony MDR Z7 cans, they suddenly sounded outstanding with streaming music from You Tube.  The difference is remarkable.  I wish there was a way to apply the curves to a portable music player, such as a AK KANN.  While the nth degree of dynamic contrast is not quite there with the headphone out, it's still damn good.  I also tried a pair of Focal Elear headphones with and without the equalization, and noticed a similar set of effects, though not as dramatic with the Elear phones. 


I have tried connecting the headphone out from the computer through the headphone amp, it does provide more drive and a bit more dynamics, but it does get offset slightly by the extra amp stage.  The degree of deltas varies with the specific recording, along with the headphone being used. 






The Sonarworks app really exposed the limitations with headphone playback without equalization.  It seems as if all dynamic headphones have some sort of resonance issue with playback.  Decided that I needed to try a different type of dynamic driver (planar magnetic).  Since I had just recently obtained the Focal Elear, the dealer allowed me to trade them in for their demo pair of Audeze LCD-3. 


So, will report on the LCD-3, as they should be here within the week.  I'm hoping they will sound similar to ESL phones. 

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Re: Listening, Comparing, Headphone Stuff Discussion
« Reply #15 on: 23 Oct 2019, 07:23 am »
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My simple experiment is adding a couple of Y RCA connectors of the back of my primary dac to be able to quickly listen to
two headphone amps, level set, and just unplug and plug between two different amps...in less than 2 seconds.

I find if I have to stop the music, swap RCA cables or whatever, then play the same track again, enough time has gone by that the comparison becomes really difficult.  At least for me.  I'm sure a few others can do it.  But I like the ability to swap A/B in real time.  Makes those tiny differences possible to notice. 

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« Reply #16 on: 23 Oct 2019, 01:36 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: 23 Oct 2019, 02:45 pm »

I think my past experience with electrostatic headphones has permanently biased me toward that type of transducer. Having said that, they have their own set of issues (expensive amps required, not robustly built, can be bass shy, etc.)  So, the planar magnetic transducer hopefully will be "close enough" to mimic the best aspects of both ESL and dynamic cans.  We shall see.


I did purchase the Sonarworks True Fi app.  To me, the upgrade was very much worth it.   The MDR Z7 is transformed with this app to a high end set of dynamic cans.  The fact that the Z7 is closed back allows usage in a variety of usages.  The True Fi app can also be loaded on the smartphone for portable use, as well as laptop/notebook computers. 

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« Reply #18 on: 23 Oct 2019, 03:05 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: 23 Oct 2019, 10:04 pm »
These might interest you!

https://raalrequisite.com/sr1a-earfield-monitors/

I think Schitt is making a custom amp for these as well?

OMG...these look good!!

 :duh:

Only $3495?

Alex



They sure look nice! 


However, I do not trust ribbon drivers to last.  I would just as soon use ESL phones for those prices.  Plus, it only goes down to 30 Hz?