New Line Force model up and playing with pics.

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JOATMON

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #20 on: 11 Sep 2019, 01:15 am »
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« Reply #21 on: 11 Sep 2019, 03:34 am »
Hi everyone,

Where are these in performance relative to the NX-Treme model? Sorry, I haven't been keeping up very well.

Thanks

Give me about three or four more days with them and I'll make some comparisons.

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« Reply #22 on: 11 Sep 2019, 03:45 am »
So last night I really gave these things a work out and had some fun with exploring the dynamic capabilities. In the end I had the feeling that the top end was pushed a little forward and a little over aggressive. They were even a little fatiguing. And I can't stand a speaker with those attributes even in the slightest. I love resolution and detail extremes, but that has to come with balance and smoothness.

So I am thinking about exploring the use of a one ohm or half ohm resistor inline with the tweeters. Right now they have no resistor in the path. I softened the Super 7 in the crossover region for the same reasons. Sometimes a flat response doesn't present itself that way in a room response. And there are ways to move things forward and back in the sound stage to make things arrive just right.

So I have been thinking these need a little tweaking.

But then after playing for about 36 hours straight they smoothed out quite a bit. The lower end and vocals have a lot more body today as well. This is about the biggest change that I have heard in a long time from burn in.

I am still going to explore the effects of tweaking the top end though. 

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« Reply #23 on: 12 Sep 2019, 03:27 am »
Today I played with a 1 ohm resistor and a half ohm resistor inline with the tweeters. Both knocked the sharpness right out of them without giving up too much detail. I think the half ohm (so far) was the best choice. It made a nice balance and brought a fullness back to the vocals that I felt like was a little thin.

These are amazing.

These speakers really allow the smallest things to be easily heard. 

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #24 on: 12 Sep 2019, 07:37 am »
How low do the mid/tweeter (NEO 10/3) line array panels go compared to the shorter version with 1 of each ?  Do you get lower frequency extension ?

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« Reply #25 on: 12 Sep 2019, 02:55 pm »
How low do the mid/tweeter (NEO 10/3) line array panels go compared to the shorter version with 1 of each ?  Do you get lower frequency extension ?

I'll have to measure them in this room to see what I am getting. Subwoofer crossover settings are clearly lower. I think I have the dial set to about 60Hz on the A370PEQ plate amps. So crossing in the 120Hz to 180Hz is it's range.

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #26 on: 16 Sep 2019, 03:51 pm »
Update....

I settled on a .5 ohm resistor inline with the tweeters. It just took a slight edge off and balanced them a little better.

And the change from burn in continued over the weekend. I am amazed at how much these things have changed.

The bottom end actually picked up on these things a little bit, and vocals have more body and feeling.

It's like I am no longer just hearing the music. I'm feeling it and being immersed in it. I feel like I went from drinking cool water to drinking cool water while floating in a pool. Each piece of music has become an experience now. It's quite amazing.

Some how I need to figure out a way that everyone can hear these.

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #27 on: 16 Sep 2019, 03:57 pm »
Looking forward to giving these a listen compared to the originals.  Been to long! :)

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« Reply #28 on: 16 Sep 2019, 04:09 pm »

Some how I need to figure out a way that everyone can hear these.


Hand out plane tickets...we'll be there! What's in the fridge?

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #29 on: 16 Sep 2019, 04:14 pm »

Hand out plane tickets...we'll be there! What's in the fridge?

You mean you guys aren't up for a road trip? We'll all go out for Texas BBQ.

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« Reply #30 on: 16 Sep 2019, 04:18 pm »
About 4 day drive from here.  Road trip is possible, or catch a flight like last time.    BBQ sounds good to me! :)

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« Reply #31 on: 16 Sep 2019, 04:25 pm »

Some how I need to figure out a way that everyone can hear these.

Bring those puppies down here to Dallas at my house - makes it much easier for folks to fly in and hear them  :D

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« Reply #32 on: 16 Sep 2019, 04:35 pm »
I wonder what Danny’s taking to LSAF next year  :dunno: :eyebrows: :drool: :banana piano:

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #33 on: 16 Sep 2019, 05:04 pm »
  Looks promising Danny. I wonder if a smaller version say [4] mid range and [11]tweeters per side would do in a smaller room.


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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #34 on: 16 Sep 2019, 05:12 pm »
  Looks promising Danny. I wonder if a smaller version say [4] mid range and [11]tweeters per side would do in a smaller room.

charles

This is about as small of a line source that you can make with these drivers and it work.

But there is a smaller option. See the Super-7.

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #35 on: 16 Sep 2019, 05:35 pm »
 Thanks for the response Danny.

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« Reply #36 on: 16 Sep 2019, 07:18 pm »
Thanks for the response Danny.

charles

and for  smaller rooms, the Super 7's  house the speaker and subs all in one cabinet so no  seaparate sub towers taking up additional real estate in  the room.


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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #37 on: 16 Sep 2019, 09:45 pm »
does this mean a parts kit is available for S7 moniters?

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #38 on: 16 Sep 2019, 09:58 pm »
does this mean a parts kit is available for S7 moniters?

Currently there are no Neo 10's in stock, but I'm working on it.

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Re: New Line Force model up and playing with pics.
« Reply #39 on: 17 Sep 2019, 02:14 am »
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