[Rick Craig]

Rick, the point is that Mark has repeatedly offered to do something only to have it put off time and time again...

The point about the room is incorrect as the speakers are measured in EXTREMELY close proximaty to the drivers and ports taking the room out of the equation (supposedly).  This is a speaker correction only software.

Room correction software will be released in the near future  

My error on the room correction part    I guess I was thinking it would be a steal if it did all of that for $400! If Jim is supplying the DEQX why not use that with the HT3?

[Marbles]

Jim has yet to do any correction curves with the HT3 and the DEQX.

He DID try some correction curves with his 2 way HT1's and liked the speakers uncorrected better.

Mark OFFERED to give me SOCS and I accepted, and I even bought the P1a in anticipation.

Then on 4/10 he mentioned that he heard I was selling my RM40's and asked "Should we send you the MMK directly now...
 
Thanks...
 
mls"



The same day Mark agreed to have an MMK sent to Jim to  measure his speakers, and I agreed to send him my P1a.

 Then Jim gets an email (from someone else at AV123) stating no MMK's are available.

I'm curious why Mark mentioned sending one "directly" and then none are available ....  

Very curious indeed...

[mlschifter]

Jim has yet to do any correction curves with the HT3 and the DEQX.

He DID try some correction curves with his 2 way HT1's and liked the speakers uncorrected better.

Mark OFFERED to give me SOCS and I accepted, and I even bought the P1a in anticipation.

Then on 4/10 he mentioned that he heard I was selling my RM40's and asked "Should we send you the MMK directly now...
 
Thanks...
 
mls"



The same day Mark agreed to have an MMK sent to Jim to  measure his speakers, and I agreed to send him ...

When I wake up (it's past 2AM here in China) I'll get the entire reply out... just too sleepy now...

The one system went with our engineers to some major "speaker companies"... We had to reproduce several MMK systems which required that we purchase many laptops (I think the number was settled at 20), hardware and software for each and acquire site licenses for the Aurora Plug In's necessary, etc.

I was able to get my Doctor to allow me a quickie trip to China to look in on some stuff here, and I left this with two guys from our company... I know Greg and Sean have had some mail back and forth with Jim... and I also know that as of the 22nd of this month we had a completed system rool off the "line"... I know nothing more from that point...

I also had mail with Jim and I wanted him to know we will ABSOLUTELY support your request of me...

Nighty Night from China...

mls

[Steve Ozmai]

Just a heads up to let you know I'm looking into this now and trying to get a hold of Mark (who's 1000's of miles away at our factory in China with the flu) to answer your questions.  

I have to admit though...I'm a bit surprised by the tone of your "curious indeed" posts considering Mark's (very generous) offer to you in the first place...not to mention all that has happened since then with Mark's health.

Give an inch...

[Marbles]

Well Steve, I'll tell you why I have the tone I have.

Mark says he will come out at the end of February so I buy the P1a in anticipation.  

I was put off for 1.5 months.  We agree that he should measure a speaker in his town instead fo sending me the MMK.  That was a month ago, and after he requested and was sent Tyson's phone #, then nothing.

Then we agree that he will send the MMK "directly" to Jim Salk, but an MMK isn't ready...two weeks out not a peep of when an MMK might be ready.

It just looks like more stalling to me.

Marks offer is very generous, it's the follow through that's lacking, and frusterating.

[Greg Marberry]

It's true, we've used the MMK recently (to measure the Onix Ref III).  It is just currently not ready to be shipped out for use but will be soon and Jim is on the list and waiting.  I've had contact with him and all is good.

We've still got to get a few items for the most recent additions to the MMK fleet.  Each MMK has these base requirements:

Hardware:

1)   Echo Audio Indigo IO PCMCIA Soundcard, 24bit/96KHz A-D-A
2)   Behringer ECM8000 omni measurement mic.
3)   ART MicroMIX mic preamplifier
4)   Mic boom
5)   Mic stand
6)   XLR male to XLR female balanced mic cable
7)   XLR to RCA male differential to single ended converter cable
8 )   Radio Shack stereo 1/8” mini plug to stereo RCA female jack connectors (2)
9)   PC Laptop computer
10)   USB Jump Drive 128Mbytes or larger

Software:

1)   Adobe Audition version 1.5
2)   Aurora beta software version 3.3 Plug-ins
3)   Microsoft Windows XP Home or Pro
4)   MMK script file
5)   MMK session file
6)   Echo Audio Indigo IO soundcard drivers
7)   Wadenhome Sound calibration data for the ECM8000 measuring mic

[Marbles]

Thank you Greg, that's very informative.

Do you have a time table of when these might be done?

Thanks again

[Steve Ozmai]

I understand, Marbles (actually, I really don't...but for the sake of this discussion I will).  

Do you have any idea what has occured in the past 1.5 months with Mark on a personal level?  My guess is that you do not...I think your response would be quite different if so.  There is no "stalling" of any sort going on here.  The simple fact is that once in a while LIFE comes before business.  For Mark that is rare (as you can see yourself in his reply to your message from China in the middle of the night)...but he IS human.  The trip to China itself was a surprise after the doctor unexpectedly cleared him for short travel.  Your posts seem to imply that there is some sort of conspiracy against you here...this is the part I am trying to understand.  If you had any idea what was involved in SOCS and MMK I think you'd be much more "forgiving" of a 2 week or even 6 week delay.  

Did you purchase the P-1A from us?

[Marbles]

I understand, Marbles (actually, I really don't...but for the sake of this discussion I will).  

Do you have any idea what has occured in the past 1.5 months with Mark on a personal level?  My guess is that you do not...I think your response would be quite different if so.  There is no "stalling" of any sort going on here.  The simple fact is that once in a while LIFE comes before business.  For Mark that is rare (as you can see yourself in his reply to your message from China in the middle of the night) ...

I did not purchase the P1a from AV123.com

Why does that make a difference?

It has been 2.5 months, or about 10 weeks.

I have some idea of what problems MLS has had.  In fact after 6 weeks it was clear Mark would not be making it out and he offered to send the MMK to me.  After reading the manual it was clear HE or at least an AV123 representative should measure the RM40 speakers, a cabinet he currently builds.  

4 weeks ago he agreed to measure Tysons.  He made it sound immenant, but than nothing happened.  He agreed to send an MMK to Jim and made it sound that it would be sent immeadiately (directly), but that didn't happen.

I do not know what is involved with the SOCS or MMK but Mark and I agreed for him to come out at the end of February, so it was either ready then, or he never intended to come out.  Since I beleive he did intend to come out, then it must have been ready at that time, so I really don't know where you are coming from with this statement.

 "If you had any idea what was involved in SOCS and MMK I think you'd be much more "forgiving" of a 2 week or even 6 week delay."

My frusterations are caused by Mark making me think things would happen quickly and then they don't.

[Steve Ozmai]

It doesn't make a difference...I was asking so that I could look up your account with us and see what options we had.  

The only explanation I can offer you is that which you have already seen (though apparently did not "read") in this thread.  At the time Mark's health began declining, his plans for the future were quite different from the direction things have taken as of today.  Of course we all wanted things to be different...there's more than MMK at stake here (UFW-12, Strata Mini, etc...).  Most people have been MORE than understanding considering the generosity Mark's shown in the past (lets not forget the fact that he was scheduled to fly out to YOUR house on HIS dime to measure YOUR speakers...and probably treat you to one hell of a nice dinner as well).  

In all the back and forth "he said this" and "he told him" etc...I can't tell you where the miscommunication occurred.  I can tell you that Jim will get an MMK and this WILL be resolved.  Unless we want to continue to focus on the past this is all I can offer you at this time.

[Marbles]

I can tell you that Jim will get an MMK and this WILL be resolved.  ...

Thank you Steve,

Do you have an approximate time frame for Jim getting an MMK?

[Steve Ozmai]

I do...however, in the interest of not recreating this scenario again by giving you a specific date I will simply say "as soon as possible."  Trust me...the last thing we want (after 9 years and over a million dollars invested) is any further delay to speaker correction.  We will push this out as fast as humanly possible and you will be one of the first notified when the unit ships to Jim.  

Hope this helps...

[DSK]

It has been 2.5 months, or about 10 weeks.
...

  Hey, curb that impetuousity young man. Some of us have been waiting several years.

[mlschifter]

It has been 2.5 months, or about 10 weeks.
...

  Hey, curb that impetuousity young man. Some of us have been waiting several years.

I know... awfully hard for you to resist...  

I just woke up over here, and after taking care of some pressing mail I'll try to get back to this thread to offer some more...

I have a hospital visit looming also... so please be patient with me...

Thanks...

mls

[DSK]

...I've written our partners about this thread and in fact we are going to formulate a reply in kind... Delivering late is bad enough, and perhaps I need to re-think some of *my* thought proceeses in the form of an amends in the future...

I sincerely have not heard much about P-1A / SOCS delivery issues as the years have ticked by... I do my dead-level best to reply when asked about our progress, etc. I only recently sort of shut that down after 2004 CES...

We're not done with this... and I hope to be able to do my best to please everyone involved... I've REALLY felt that in the past I have done that... I'm not trying to beat "my dead horse"... but we're still here, I'm still here... and I will not run from any of my responsibilities...

No progress since February, Mark? My P-1A still sits in a cupboard gathering dust ...can't even sell it  

[mlschifter]

No progress since February, Mark? My P-1A still sits in a cupboard gathering dust ...can't even sell it  

The MMK works GREAT... and we are all too glad to send it your way for a demo...

We have several units in the field (three last I heard)... and today we sent Coefficient sets to Russia for the new small Nola speaker...

There are several threads at av123's forum about this --- by the by...

Apologies for not revisiting this thread... just too much on my plate these days... MY BAD...

Hope this helps...

mlsav123@mac.com

All the best...

mls

[Marbles]

I do...however, in the interest of not recreating this scenario again by giving you a specific date I will simply say "as soon as possible."  Trust me...the last thing we want (after 9 years and over a million dollars invested) is any further delay to speaker correction.  We will push this out as fast as humanly possible and you will be one of the first notified when the unit ships to Jim.  

Hope this helps...

Does Jim Salk know they are available so he can measure (his) my HT3?

Thanks

[mlschifter]

I do...however, in the interest of not recreating this scenario again by giving you a specific date I will simply say "as soon as possible."  Trust me...the last thing we want (after 9 years and over a million dollars invested) is any further delay to speaker correction.  We will push this out as fast as humanly possible and you will be one of the first notified when the unit ships to Jim.  

Hope this helps...

Does Jim Salk know they are available so he can measure (his) my HT3?

Thanks

I'm not sure Marbles as I don't stay in touch with all of this day-to-day...

Greg spoke with Jim last I do believe... We made several live demos of the technology and the "process" at our CO GTG a few months back... It was a lot of fun, and I do believe very exciting for those in attendance...

I'll ask Greg... I'm in Seattle today for several meetings over the next few days... but I WILL ask Greg if he's spoken with Jim of late...

All the best...

mls

[Marbles]

Thanks Mark, it's appreciated.

Rob

[mlschifter]

Thanks Mark, it's appreciated.

Rob

No worries Rob...

I'm excited for you (and for me too)...

I'll try to take a moment later once I'm back in my room and find some of the screen shots from the various audio capture screens that, well... capture the necessary data...

Our licenses are all paid for the "plug-ins" we use from an Italian Company (forgot the name right now)... and we have also have two guys from our forums using the system all the time (Rich and Chris)... and Brad has been involved at several levels getting the documentation package readied for consumer use...  

It's a go... I'm just waiting for CES to do "my thing"...  

Let me know what you think...

All the best...

Mark