Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #20 on: 16 May 2019, 07:35 pm »
Thanks Lou

Plenty of light from the front room and kitchen.

I was looking at wood for the floor.

The ceiling is drywall

Ferndale do we have lift off?

Yep! I think this settles the question of Apollo vs Apollo11.
I'll be in part time for the next week as it is boat haulout time! Let's talk about wood grain!







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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #21 on: 16 May 2019, 08:22 pm »
btw, here are a couple of pics of my own home setup.

For Christmas I designed and built this mobile TV cabinet. We usually keep it out of the way, and then roll it out for watching movies using a pair of Athena's. (I cycle in whatever is an extra at the shop and have used several models here). I plan on upping the grade on the amps soon, maybe an LTA?



this is where it usually sits on the side wall with the cover.


and here is in position for an Avengers 3D



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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #22 on: 17 May 2019, 12:45 pm »
Bigger rooms are almost always better, but shape is more important.  Recommend reading Floyd Toole's "Sound Reproduction", 3rd edition. 

The Daelalus speakers are made for large rooms.  Multiple tweeter/midrange driver designs like Ulysses or Apollo 11 mandates a far-field setup for good driver coherence (9 feet is recognized as midfield).  Your current room is nearly a 1:2 proportions - very bad for bass echo, but square would be worse (depending on alcove/kitchen arrangement you might get just that - please provide a sketch).  How tall is the ceiling?  For a room this size 11 - 12 foot would be ideal.  Sitting farther from back wall would also be helpful as walls reinforce bass. 

Controlled directivity is a speaker design concept gaining acceptance that minimizes side wall interaction of mid/high frequencies, currently used by JBL, Amphion, Buchardt, Kii, and Dutch & Dutch.  Again read "Sound Reproduction".  In it Toole recommends multiple carefully dispersed subs.

The book arrived

Is there a particular set of chapters you would recommend reading first?

oops - Chapters 5, 7 and 8 most relevant
Jim Smith's get better sound had a few setup nuggets as well

thanks
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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #23 on: 4 Jun 2019, 06:02 pm »
I decided in the short term to knock out a closet making a 9' wide space width near my front door extend to 12.5 ft wide

now speakers on the short wall looks to be a viable option

the closet has been torn down - touch up work on the walls finishing tomorrow




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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #24 on: 4 Jun 2019, 06:03 pm »
short wall setup







I really welcome your insights

thanks

Tom
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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #25 on: 4 Jun 2019, 06:42 pm »
I like the short wall setup because it offers a lot more versatility for speaker placement and seating position.   

OP -- consider a sliding door in front of the kitchen.

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #26 on: 4 Jun 2019, 06:55 pm »
Yep! I think this settles the question of Apollo vs Apollo11.
I'll be in part time for the next week as it is boat haulout time! Let's talk about wood grain!




And how do you fit a pair of your speakers inside that boat, Lou?  :scratch:

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #27 on: 4 Jun 2019, 07:14 pm »
I like the short wall setup because it offers a lot more versatility for speaker placement and seating position.   

OP -- consider a sliding door in front of the kitchen.


interesting

maybe a pocket door or sliding on a rail on the audio room side?

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #28 on: 4 Jun 2019, 10:11 pm »
maybe a pocket door or sliding on a rail on the audio room side?

The rail door is very cool and in vogue right now. They're not that expensive if you're able to hang the rail and door(s) yourself.

The reason I'm suggesting this is because my room opens to the kitchen, and for many years, I had no door there, so the sound "leaked" into the kitchen. Once I closed it off with a door, the imaging was a bit better.

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #29 on: 5 Jun 2019, 01:15 pm »

This option seems better to me as the cables route are short,
however the rack is located in the mid os the speakers,
the recommended would be closer to the wall.

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #30 on: 5 Jun 2019, 01:27 pm »
I made a mod below for shorter cable route:

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #31 on: 5 Jun 2019, 01:42 pm »
I, too, like the short wall setup. and love the rail door or pocket door idea! We have two pocket doors in our 1959 mid-century home. There are many good DIY rail door plans out there. A pocket door will cost more but will not take away inches from the side, for symmetry.

BTW, is this all for my old pair of Ulysses? I think I remember reading that you have others. ??

Jason
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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #32 on: 5 Jun 2019, 04:59 pm »

Hi Jason!!!

The very Ulysses!

Just with Lou's V2 upgrade when I bought them from you and shipped westward.

They love everything  I have thrown at them and have really brought out the engaging aspect of the music.
I can't wait to set them back in the room more so the drivers can fully integrate.

Then again I am further refining the room for a possible Apollo upgrade


Full Range - we looked at that setup with the rack on the speakers wall but the speakers have to be too far out in the room and rack 2 (which has the cd and tuner on it) won't fit on that wall

I have a daisy chained set of wire right now

but would be looking at a set of 16 foot and 20ft cables for two parallel systems into a high end switch box

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #33 on: 5 Jun 2019, 09:48 pm »
And how do you fit a pair of your speakers inside that boat, Lou?  :scratch:
On the boat I have a Uke and guitar, no need for speakers :thumb:

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #34 on: 5 Jun 2019, 09:51 pm »
I, too, like the short wall setup. and love the rail door or pocket door idea! We have two pocket doors in our 1959 mid-century home. There are many good DIY rail door plans out there. A pocket door will cost more but will not take away inches from the side, for symmetry.

BTW, is this all for my old pair of Ulysses? I think I remember reading that you have others. ??

Jason

The sliding door is a great idea!  If you do pocket doors, I would be very careful about the wall construction. Usually for pocket doors the wall is very flimsy and resonant. In that location it could really mess with your mid bass etc.


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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #35 on: 6 Jun 2019, 05:37 pm »
Hi Jason!!!

The very Ulysses!

Just with Lou's V2 upgrade when I bought them from you and shipped westward.

They love everything  I have thrown at them and have really brought out the engaging aspect of the music.
I can't wait to set them back in the room more so the drivers can fully integrate.

Then again I am further refining the room for a possible Apollo upgrade


Great to hear Tom! They were “V2” when I had them, too. Well a version of V2, as we all know Lous wonderful upgrade path has been an evolution, with real and tangible results every time... The Argos ended up working better for my needs. So happy those U’s are all upgraded and so appreciated.

Jason

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Re: Opportunity to knock out a wall and make an 18 x 30 ft room
« Reply #36 on: 17 Jun 2019, 06:02 pm »
fighting some tonal balance issues with the short wall
but I will get there

removed room treatments (thanks for the suggestion Lou)
and working on removing cabinets, records, etc

converging