After market power cords.

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HifiDan

After market power cords.
« on: 28 Apr 2019, 03:09 pm »
Hi, i know this subject is contraversial but here are my findings.
Bryston amps are less subject to poor ac, may be because their input circuit are better
Designed or due to the fact they are dual monos (isolated trannies).
Everything else is affected . I found that the upgrades that are most benificial are as follows.
1: DAC/CD transport sound a lot smoother on high frequencies with upgtaded PC
2: pre-amps better instrument separation
3: power amp would be the last to benifit.

I just upgraded my system with Nordost Red Dawn PC on BDA-1,Moon 260D transport and YBA 1A pre and DR Acoustics BLack Fire 10 on 14Bsst2
and it made a huge improvement in definition, clarity and bass punch. I also use Blue Circle Audio noise sniffers on both 15Amp circuits.
So no snake oil, the results are easely heard
Happy listening

witchdoctor

Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #1 on: 28 Apr 2019, 04:51 pm »
Have you tried upgrading the wall socket yet? Made a BIG difference for me and it cost less than $100.

HifiDan

Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #2 on: 28 Apr 2019, 04:58 pm »
Wdoctor,
Yes i bought 2 cryo duplex at Take 5 audio and yes they do make a difference.
Dan

Calypte

Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #3 on: 29 Apr 2019, 01:43 am »
If you guys can supply some real science behind this, I'm listening.

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« Reply #4 on: 29 Apr 2019, 12:39 pm »
Last year I upgraded  my duplex to Furutech GTX-D (mainly due to a pretty good sale) those upgrades allowed even more ability to hear into the music.  Then I bought a pile of reasonable cheap Pangea XL powercords (also on sale)
If someone needs proof? not my problem. I personally could care less if someone else does or does not do anything to at for about how they listen to music. 100% 'not my problem'.
Maybe some folks 'need' others approval? Not me. So someone wanting proof ..
My proof: HAH HAH HA HAH HAH HA.. etc for maybe half an hour...  :thumb:

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« Reply #5 on: 29 Apr 2019, 12:58 pm »
Last year I upgraded  my duplex to Furutech GTX-D (mainly due to a pretty good sale) those upgrades allowed even more ability to hear into the music.  Then I bought a pile of reasonable cheap Pangea XL powercords (also on sale)
If someone needs proof? not my problem. I personally could care less if someone else does or does not do anything to at for about how they listen to music. 100% 'not my problem'.
Maybe some folks 'need' others approval? Not me. So someone wanting proof ..
My proof: HAH HAH HA HAH HAH HA.. etc for maybe half an hour...  :thumb:

So you have no proof, and wouldn't care to provide it if you did. HAH HAH HA HAH HAH HA...

There simply is no proof. Only sketchy, bombastic rhetoric. HAH HAH HA HAH HAH HA...

I wish people would stop asking for proof. I also wish people would stop supplying there own personal experience as proof...on many subjects.

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« Reply #6 on: 29 Apr 2019, 01:09 pm »
If you guys can supply some real science behind this, I'm listening.
Why not let your listening be your proof?   Then if you hear nothing worth buying, don't buy it.
This is fought over so much at this site, yet it's so simple. 
Try something.  Don't take someone's word, don't look for test results.  Try it and if you don't like it, send it back. 





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« Reply #7 on: 29 Apr 2019, 01:24 pm »
Why not let your listening be your proof?   Then if you hear nothing worth buying, don't buy it.
This is fought over so much at this site, yet it's so simple. 
Try something.  Don't take someone's word, don't look for test results.  Try it and if you don't like it, send it back.

Just make sure there's a fool-proof return policy.

HifiDan

Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #8 on: 29 Apr 2019, 01:45 pm »
OK, i did not want to start a war of words ....
I dont have any scientific proof as i,m not an engineer and dont have the know how
Nor the equipment to measure anything.
However, being not so young +64, and having still a good hearing, i can tell
If a change in my system brings positive results, for me that is, and it might not for
Someone else.
After all, it is only a hobby and we can do whatever we want with it.
Happy listening to you all
Dan

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Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #9 on: 29 Apr 2019, 02:40 pm »
Power delivery impacts sound.

Power cable upgrades on my small signal gear improved the sound in my system. Cardas M. I wasn’t prepared for that.  I’ve always used high quality receptacles. I have Pass & Seymour 20 amp hospital grade. Bright orange so I don’t forget which are on dedicated 20 amp line.

At some point I’ll upgrade power cables on my 28bsst2 mono blocks.

But the biggest bang for your buck is acousticctreatment for your listening space. Get that sorted out before spending on cables of any sort. It’s an upgrade everyone will hear.

Not sure why not everyone hears differences in cables, be they ICs, speaker or power. To me the changes are immediately apparent. And I have heard a difference after break in using Hagerman’s cable cooker.  I’m not having sleepless nights worrying about it either.


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Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #10 on: 29 Apr 2019, 06:38 pm »
Why not let your listening be your proof?   Then if you hear nothing worth buying, don't buy it.
This is fought over so much at this site, yet it's so simple. 
Try something.  Don't take someone's word, don't look for test results.  Try it and if you don't like it, send it back.

There's a lot of autosuggestion in hi-end audio.  I don't claim to be immune to it.  The fact that I'm willing to buy 192/24 downloads in preference to 44/16 is proof of that.  But this power cord thing is too much, even for me.  Electricity is delivered through thousands of miles of industrial-grade wiring, wiring that was selected to minimize power loss and for its ability to endure the elements.  Yet, something terrible happens during the final 3 ft inside one's living room.  Really?  Even the wiring within the walls, which was selected according to building codes established by non-audiophiles, is deemed to be OK.  But that final 3 ft...!  Then there's the implication that a company like Bryston (this is a Bryston forum, after all) sells amplifiers that approach the cost of a very nice used car, but then they equip those amplifiers with substandard power cords.  Really?

witchdoctor

Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #11 on: 29 Apr 2019, 07:33 pm »
If you guys can supply some real science behind this, I'm listening.

The only science to trust when spending your own $$$ is a blind listening test. Buy a component with a return guarantee. Listen with it and without it in the system. If you think it is worth $ keep it. If you want to get really strict get an ABX comparator from van alstine.

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« Reply #12 on: 29 Apr 2019, 07:59 pm »
...  Really?
If you have decided already, don't worry about it.  Let the "fools" waste their money. After all, the last 3 feet can't make a difference... as you indicated.  And Bryston chooses to use a "regular" power cord, soooo..... 
I don't care what you decide.  I've heard what I need to hear, and spent my dollars accordingly.  You spend yours according to whatever parameters you choose. 

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« Reply #13 on: 29 Apr 2019, 08:51 pm »
The only science to trust when spending your own $$$ is a blind listening test. Buy a component with a return guarantee. Listen with it and without it in the system. If you think it is worth $ keep it. If you want to get really strict get an ABX comparator from van alstine.

I did a single blind listening test and was able to hear differences between them as well as identfy which cables were made by the same company. The house sound if you will.

I was flabbergasted and it wasn’t the outcome I expected. 

It was in a decent system with Merlin speakers and McIntosh amplification

My system is even more resolving with VMPS speakers Bryston mono blocks, bel canto pre6 and Hagerman trumpet phono pre. Well tempered Amadeus and Grado ref master cart. Cables of all types influence the sound. 

No two people hear the same way. If someone doesn’t hear a difference, I’m ok with that  but if others say they do, perhaps they really can tell a difference. Why would that matter to anyone else? 

In the end it’s just a hobby for most of us   If it wasn’t this I’d spend my money on bass boats, cheap beer and bikini clad women.

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Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #14 on: 29 Apr 2019, 09:17 pm »
I did a single blind listening test and was able to hear differences between them as well as identfy which cables were made by the same company. The house sound if you will.

I was flabbergasted and it wasn’t the outcome I expected. 
With which statistical significance could you identify the cables?

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« Reply #15 on: 29 Apr 2019, 09:36 pm »
I did a test of two power cords. The red one tasted like roasted garlic with a hint of licorice. The other black with brilliant blue metallic threads was clearly more like port wine with  a hint of Brazil nuts and pork chops..  :thumb:
I was able to do this test only once due to the dealer throwing me out the door.
I have tried to do a repeat of the test, but so far no luck.

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« Reply #16 on: 29 Apr 2019, 10:38 pm »
Sugar pills.....
They work great, till you die.

Thank God double blind tests....when done properly....
work on all things that truly matter in life.

Not audio though.

Look at it this way.....if there were ANY, or JUST ONE double blind/ABX tests anywhere
on this big ol internet that proved wire made a difference the snake oil salesmen that sold you
these wires would parade that fact around like a medalist at the olympics.
But they dont, cause theyre aren't any.....not even one......think about that, not one.

Anything can change the sound.....
Till your bias free of shiny new toys.

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« Reply #17 on: 29 Apr 2019, 11:42 pm »
Sugar pills.....
They work great, till you die.

Thank God double blind tests....when done properly....Then sir I think you are due for a hearing test .
work on all things that truly matter in life.

Not audio though.

Look at it this way.....if there were ANY, or JUST ONE double blind/ABX tests anywhere
on this big ol internet that proved wire made a difference the snake oil salesmen that sold you
these wires would parade that fact around like a medalist at the olympics.
But they dont, cause theyre aren't any.....not even one......think about that, not one.

Anything can change the sound.....
Till your bias free of shiny new toys.

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« Reply #18 on: 29 Apr 2019, 11:46 pm »
No problem. I'll keep my little trinkets. No need to worry about my well being or my pocketbook.
With all the need to save others from themselves going on here... One would think it was some religious organization?  :popcorn:

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Re: After market power cords.
« Reply #19 on: 30 Apr 2019, 11:25 am »
To the doubters and naysayers regarding the ability of cables to influence reproduced sound, I would ask you to consider the following. Shunyata Research, a favorite target of those who love to cast the curse of "snake oil purveyor," has another company devoted to serving the medical community called Clear Image Scientific. They market power cords and power conditioners to hospitals for the purpose of of increasing the resolution of medical imaging devices in electrophysiology labs by reducing noise riding on power lines. Clear Image's products use the same build characteristics and materials as Shunyata's audio products. (If you are of the mindset that power line noise is of no consequence to the end result your audio system reproduces, then continue with your current skepticism.) Here is a link to Clear Image's website and a list of of some of their medical clients:

http://clearimagescientific.com/case-studies/

Here is a short video from Shunyata showing an Axpona demo of a Clear Image power cord's noise reduction capabilites:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=shunyata+axpona

I find Shunyata/Clear Image provides rather clear evidence that their products actually do affect power line noise riding on electrical lines. If one accepts the evidence that a power cord CAN affect power line noise, then one confronts two further possibilities.

One, while power line noise can be affected by a power cord, it's inconsequential to the sound an audio system reproduces. Also, I suppose it's possible that the frequencies of noise affecting medical imaging equipment is different from that which affects audio equipment and could account for different degrees of effectiveness in each application.

Two, if one accepts that power line noise can affect audio reproduction, then perhaps the inability of ABX blind testing to establish definitive effectiveness illustrates that ABX testing is an imperfect arbiter of effectiveness. Of course, that is another can of worms we can debate endlessly as well. 
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