Daedalus BOW

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Daedalus BOW
« on: 12 Feb 2019, 06:50 pm »
Hello All.

Looking to add subwoofers to my Orpheus setup, have been talking to Lou and he recommended the BOWs.

Wanted to get BOW users experiences on amplifier, cable choices and any other recommendations.  Debating between Class D and Class A/B. 

Thanks!

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #1 on: 12 Feb 2019, 08:36 pm »
Depending on the wattage of what the main speakers are being driven by,
two of my favorites are the Parasound New Classic series and the ModWright KWI -150.

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #2 on: 14 Feb 2019, 09:53 pm »
I have a pair of BOWs I'm running with my Apollo 11s. I ran the BOWs with my D.A. 1-1v2s before I sold them and bought the 11s. The BOWs added depth and foundation to the music and ensure that my system would reproduce the lowest notes on the Hammond B3. Also, the detail in the mid range and tweeters improved with the BOWs in the system. I am driving the BOWs with a Bryston 4B ST. It has great low end control. I'm using AudioQuest Panther interconnects between the pre amp and the XO and between the XO and the Bryston. The cables are Synergestic Research Alpha Quad with active shielding.

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #3 on: 16 Feb 2019, 08:26 pm »
Deposit placed on a pair of BOWs finished in Claro Walnut to match my Orpheus speakers.  Per Lou's recommendation I am leaning towards the Parasound NewClassic 2250 v.2.  Looks like a lot of amplifier for the money.

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #4 on: 16 Feb 2019, 11:38 pm »
I suggest you consider Bel Canto REF600M monoblocks. I’m driving my Apollo 11 speakers full range with them. The bass control, depth, finesse, and solidity are superb. I imagine they would be excellent for the BOWs.

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #5 on: 17 Feb 2019, 12:50 am »
I suggest you consider Bel Canto REF600M monoblocks. I’m driving my Apollo 11 speakers full range with them. The bass control, depth, finesse, and solidity are superb. I imagine they would be excellent for the BOWs.
While the Bel Canto are excellent, they are a bit overkill for this application. At almost five times the cost as the Parasound, there would be no advantage to using them for the BOW. As full range amps the BelCanto win hands down but for low bass only the Parasound perform exceptionally well and are pretty much unbeatable for anywhere near their price.

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #6 on: 17 Feb 2019, 04:16 am »
That Parasound does look like a ton of amp for the money. If one wanted to give class d a try, the latest Icepower amps based on the 1200AS module available from many vendors come in at not much more than the Parasound. Most refined Class D yet. But would give that iron fisted high damping factor sound to the bass if that’s what you were after.

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #7 on: 17 Feb 2019, 04:58 am »
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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #8 on: 18 Feb 2019, 02:15 am »
That Parasound does look like a ton of amp for the money. If one wanted to give class d a try, the latest Icepower amps based on the 1200AS module available from many vendors come in at not much more than the Parasound. Most refined Class D yet. But would give that iron fisted high damping factor sound to the bass if that’s what you were after.
I have found that only the very best class D have the bass extension and dynamics that are needed for these speakers. Most people use them with speakers that in reality do not do much below 30hz, whereas this is a different ball game. Also as we all know all "watts" are not created equal, ( I am referring to specs that are published) and while a 60 watt tube amp will often match a 120 watt A/B, I have heard 1000 watt Class D that had no more punch or headroom than a much much lower rated conventional SS amp.
BTW , these drivers are custom built for us and unlike almost all other subwoofer drivers do NOT require a high damping factor to stay controlled and tight.

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #9 on: 18 Feb 2019, 02:25 am »
Understood, Lou. And I do prefer a quality SS A/B amp with my DA-RMa V2’s over the aforementioned class d amp. The class d edges the SS on detail, but is overly damped and tight sounding. The traditional SS has an ease and emotion that leaves the ultra clean class d sounding a bit sterile. I would think using the class d on BOW duty might cause a mid-match I character between the drivers, so would lean toward the Parasound for that reason.

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #10 on: 18 Feb 2019, 02:33 am »
Understood, Lou. And I do prefer a quality SS A/B amp with my DA-RMa V2’s over the aforementioned class d amp. The class d edges the SS on detail, but is overly damped and tight sounding. The traditional SS has an ease and emotion that leaves the ultra clean class d sounding a bit sterile. I would think using the class d on BOW duty might cause a mid-match I character between the drivers, so would lean toward the Parasound for that reason.
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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #11 on: 1 Mar 2019, 09:23 pm »
What are the specs on the BOW?

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #12 on: 3 Mar 2019, 07:22 pm »
What are the specs on the BOW?

https://www.daedalusaudio.com/copy-of-bow-subwoofer-1

Just updated the Specifications link. We are gradually rebuilding the site, thanks everyone for your patience. :)

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #13 on: 4 Mar 2019, 01:19 am »
I expect the woofer is proprietary, not propitiatory. (In the specs)

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Re: Daedalus BOW
« Reply #14 on: 4 Mar 2019, 02:38 am »
I expect the woofer is proprietary, not propitiatory. (In the specs)

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