Bryston SP4

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Bryston SP4
« on: 2 Feb 2018, 03:40 pm »
James congratulations on partnering with Storm Audio for the new SP4 and let me welcome you to the amazing world of immersive audio. For those of you not familiar with Storm Audio they were formerly owned by Auro 3D and I have been an Auro fan for many years. If anyone plans on getting the SP4 I strongly recommend an Auro 3D speaker layout vs Atmos. Check out the announcement:

https://www.proaudio.de/en/news/live/19731-bryston-and-stormaudio-announce-collaboration.html




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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #1 on: 2 Feb 2018, 03:42 pm »
BTW James, I know you are undecided on MQA but you may have some customers who prefer it, if you can add it to the SP4 it would be wonderful :D

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« Reply #2 on: 2 Feb 2018, 03:47 pm »
BTW James, I know you are undecided on MQA but you may have some customers who prefer it, if you can add it to the SP4 it would be wonderful :D

H WD

Nope I am holding firm on that one - no MQA.

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« Reply #3 on: 2 Feb 2018, 03:52 pm »
No worries, it is available on so  many dacs now anyways. I imagine you have done a lot of testing with Storm products before choosing them as a partner. What is your opinion of immersive audio?
Have you compared an Auro speaker layout vs Atmos yet? Compared the upmixers?
Any pics from your lab of an immersive setup?
I think you made a wise decision to partner with Storm, so many awards.

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« Reply #4 on: 2 Feb 2018, 04:04 pm »
BTW, for Bryton fans going immersive, take a look at the Bryston TOW speakers. 5 of them as bed channels and 4 of them as height channels positioned directly above the L-R and surrounds would be ideal. You can use speaker brackets on your height channels to angle them down while mounted to the wall.

http://www.bryston.com/PDF/Manuals/Model_TOW_MANUAL.pdf

http://www.bryston.com/products/speakers/Model_TOW_On-Wall.html

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« Reply #5 on: 2 Feb 2018, 04:11 pm »
No worries, it is available on so  many dacs now anyways. I imagine you have done a lot of testing with Storm products before choosing them as a partner. What is your opinion of immersive audio?
Have you compared an Auro speaker layout vs Atmos yet? Compared the upmixers?
Any pics from your lab of an immersive setup?
I think you made a wise decision to partner with Storm, so many awards.

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Yes I find the philosophy of Auro quite different from Dolby and requires a completely different speaker arrangement so here we go again - confusing the market !!! :duh:

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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #6 on: 2 Feb 2018, 04:19 pm »
Hi Folks,

If you email me I can send you a preliminary PDF of the new SP4

james

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« Reply #7 on: 2 Feb 2018, 04:22 pm »
Well James if we were talking about the market for a $500 receiver maybe there would be confusion. If you think audio is confusing don't even think about video (4K/UHD/HDR10/Dolby Vision/8K and IDK what else).
However the market for the SP4 will likely be astute, sophisticated DIYers or well heeled hobbyists with custom installers, I doubt that choosing a speaker layout will be very challenging.

FWIW an Auro layout sounds just fine with Atmos content or the Atmos upmixer. I think the speaker installation is simpler, you can choose an exact matching speaker to your bed channels, and no cutting holes in your ceiling required for ceiling speaker installation ala Atmos.

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« Reply #8 on: 2 Feb 2018, 05:15 pm »
Well James if we were talking about the market for a $500 receiver maybe there would be confusion. If you think audio is confusing don't even think about video (4K/UHD/HDR10/Dolby Vision/8K and IDK what else).
However the market for the SP4 will likely be astute, sophisticated DIYers or well heeled hobbyists with custom installers, I doubt that choosing a speaker layout will be very challenging.

FWIW an Auro layout sounds just fine with Atmos content or the Atmos upmixer. I think the speaker installation is simpler, you can choose an exact matching speaker to your bed channels, and no cutting holes in your ceiling required for ceiling speaker installation ala Atmos.

Time will tell but I think going up against the 1200 pound gorilla (Dolby) is a serious chore.

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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #9 on: 3 Feb 2018, 01:03 am »
Hi James,

Very interesting to hear about the new SP44.  :icon_surprised: :icon_surprised: :icon_surprised:

The SP3 will continue in the product lineup for the time being, while the SP4 establishes itself.
Will the SP3 be discontinued in the coming year - 2019?

And will there be any trade-up possibilities for SP3 owners :thumb:?

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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #10 on: 3 Feb 2018, 01:20 am »
Just another question;

Will the SP4 incorporate the patented Salomie circuit 8) 8) 8) 8)?

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« Reply #11 on: 3 Feb 2018, 01:59 am »
Hi James,

Very interesting to hear about the new SP44.  :icon_surprised: :icon_surprised: :icon_surprised:

The SP3 will continue in the product lineup for the time being, while the SP4 establishes itself.
Will the SP3 be discontinued in the coming year - 2019?

And will there be any trade-up possibilities for SP3 owners :thumb:?

Luigi

Hi Luigi

No the SP3 will not be discontinued. If people do not need the feature set of the SP4 then they can save a lot by purchasing the SP3.

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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #12 on: 3 Feb 2018, 02:00 am »
Just another question;

Will the SP4 incorporate the patented Salomie circuit 8) 8) 8) 8)?

Luigi

Hi

No it will not have the Salomie circuits.

james

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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #13 on: 8 Feb 2018, 07:25 pm »
Hi

No it will not have the Salomie circuits.

james

Just for clarification...

Am I right in thinking that the Salomie circuitry is a technology for analog audio inputs? In that case they would not be that important on a pre/pro that is a dedicated home theater device, as there almost all sources are digital...

Or do you have Salomie output stages as well?

What would interest me is, will the SP-4 incorporate the same kind of analog output stages as the SP-3, that is discrete and class A, all Bryston, Canada made? Will it have an analog Volume Control like the SP-3 or will the volume be handled in the digital domain?

Thanks!

Markus

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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #14 on: 8 Feb 2018, 07:30 pm »
Just for clarification...

Am I right in thinking that the Salomie circuitry is a technology for analog audio inputs? In that case they would not be that important on a pre/pro that is a dedicated home theater device, as there almost all sources are digital...

Or do you have Salomie output stages as well?

What would interest me is, will the SP-4 incorporate the same kind of analog output stages as the SP-3, that is discrete and class A, all Bryston, Canada made? Will it have an analog Volume Control like the SP-3 or will the volume be handled in the digital domain?

Thanks!

Markus

Hi Markus

Correct the Salomie circuits are at the analog input stage. The SP4 is fully modular so we intend to develop special circuits going forward.

james





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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #15 on: 8 Feb 2018, 08:05 pm »
WOW! a new SP4...:thumb:

times are changing and it is interesting to see how Bryston answers the market.

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« Reply #16 on: 10 Feb 2018, 06:31 pm »
Hi Markus

Correct the Salomie circuits are at the analog input stage. The SP4 is fully modular so we intend to develop special circuits going forward.

james

Hi James,

You keep using the term „going forward“... does this mean that the analog section of the initial SP4 will be identical to the analog stage from StormAudio, i.e. it will not be the same kind of descrete class a output stages as used in the SP3?

Thanks

Markus

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« Reply #17 on: 10 Feb 2018, 07:20 pm »
Hi James,

You keep using the term „going forward“... does this mean that the analog section of the initial SP4 will be identical to the analog stage from StormAudio, i.e. it will not be the same kind of descrete class a output stages as used in the SP3?

Thanks

Markus

Correct.

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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #18 on: 21 Feb 2018, 08:12 am »
H WD

Nope I am holding firm on that one - no MQA.

james

James, that is most commendable. You, Sir, are a gentleman with integrity.

Best wishes,
Antun

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Re: Bryston SP4
« Reply #19 on: 6 Mar 2018, 10:21 pm »
The leap from PCM to MQA is substantial.

The leap from "surround sound" to "immersive sound" is staggering.

I think the SP4 is going to stun the current SP3 users, even without MQA.