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They may make a great product. That isn't enough. I deal with companies that make great products all the time. I largely help them sell themselves and go out of business. Happens all the time.
But here on AC most people are cheap bastards, so price hikes are going to piss those people off, on principal. Note - I myself am a cheap bastard. But expensive gear doesn't piss me off any more
Now that is a great modern day business move. I'm sure there are more things to come.
The speakers need to be priced to compete in the market they are intended for and imo Pete is right that the Nimbus should be at least $40k and should be sold through dealers.
Reading Philistine's post I am left wondering is it the all too common Vapor hating or the equally common disillusion that a high-end audio system is an 'investment'? With luxury goods the rule is buy it and walk out of the store or drive off the lot and 30%, 40%, 50% of what you paid vanishes in a 'poof' of smoke. Luxury automobiles are a good example of this. After a few years a Mercedes-Benz AMG that cost $120,000 new can be had for under $20,000. Its a pay to play world and inherent in indulging ourselves in luxury goods is both the means and willingness to produce the ca$h.
Nothing to do with Vapor hating, just a case of ethics, values and good business practice. I wish Vapor well and believe the product is probably very good. If you look at the resale value of other speaker manufacturers here, Salk etc, they get a considerably higher resale margin - 60% plus. My comments are related to the deflated value of used Vapor speakers being attributed to persistent customer issues related to delayed delivery schedules and non-communication with customers once money is sent. A price increase isn't going to attract new customers, to build confidence back up in the brand timely supply is going to be the key, I would offer new customers an incentive such as escrow to allay any concerns related to delivery performance.It's also the same shill's that jump in when anyone posts less than positive, similar pattern with SP Tech/Aether Audio.
have the intelligence to order my Joule's.Please feel free to stop buy, be amazed , and enjoy them.I am in west central florida !
I mean, if I were a potential Vehement customer I'd look up Vapor and then probably order a Vapor speaker instead... $16k for the Vehement Brezza vs $14k for Vapor Derecho? I'll take the latter!
The Vehement Brezza Forte actually has one of the smoothest final system responses we've ever measured.
That's great, can we see those measurements? Polar plots too?
If you want to wait, you can order Derecho instead. The Vehement model shown above has tapered transmission line bass (which Derecho does not), and uses the custom midrange intended for Derecho. The two are nearly identical in performance. The Vehement Brezza Forte actually has one of the smoothest final system responses we've ever measured. They are a lot of speaker for the money, and they won't have the wait time you'd experience with ordering something like Derecho.Derecho is probably going to be redesigned soon too, because of the Vehement model. Ryan and I talked about upgrading the woofers to the wonderful Audio Technology Flexunits (Joule, Perfect Storm) and the mids to either ATs or Accuton, to have Derecho follow in the footsteps of the other models with a "black" and "white" version. When that happens, you'll see the price hit at least $20K.
I'm sure you guys will do fine whatever direction you go. I'd still spend $20k on an upgraded Derecho (or Nimbus) vs the Brezza. The curved stacked-ply construction is nice on the Derecho. I guess it won't matter to you too much if the Vehement line points people to the Vapor line.
You're different than many who simply don't want to wait.
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