BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS

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Re: BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS
« Reply #300 on: 2 Jan 2024, 09:23 pm »
Hi Pontifex

Totally agree - so many times we as audiophiles move sideways when we try different amps or speakers or cables etc.
Going active is the best way to move forward from a performance standpoint. 

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Re: BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS
« Reply #301 on: 4 Jan 2024, 04:12 pm »
Hi Pontifex

Totally agree - so many times we as audiophiles move sideways when we try different amps or speakers or cables etc.
Going active is the best way to move forward from a performance standpoint. 

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james

Thanks James.

I think it's also been discussed in this lengthy thread but how much would you say that a fully active Bryston system negates the need for subwoofers? I would imagine that external subs would still have the benifit of independent placement from the speakers for optimizing modal response?

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« Reply #302 on: 4 Jan 2024, 04:57 pm »
Thanks James.

I think it's also been discussed in this lengthy thread but how much would you say that a fully active Bryston system negates the need for subwoofers? I would imagine that external subs would still have the benifit of independent placement from the speakers for optimizing modal response?

Its a good question and much of the answer would be relative to the very low frequency capability of your Main speakers relative to your Subs. To some degree the best location for your Main speakers for best Soundstage may not provide any benefit for very low frequencies and therefor adding a Sub can help. Also integrating the Sub with the Mains can be problematic.

In my room a speaker like the T10 can easily do 18Hz and still be 4 feet from the back wall - so I get a really good balance overall.  With the Active T-10 there is a GUI which allows you to tailor the Bass response below 120Hz as well.

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Re: BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS
« Reply #303 on: 4 Jan 2024, 05:19 pm »
In my room, which is on the larger side, and using Model T's in active mode with the BAX-1, the ability to fine tune the bottom end was very effective.

Those speakers are now gone, soon to be replaced by T10's. I still expect the EQ ability will be helpful, however the split woofer placements in the line sources should help to even out LF presentation in the space.

Brian

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Re: BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS
« Reply #305 on: 1 Oct 2025, 05:33 pm »
Hi Mr Tanner,

I'm only two devices away (BAX-1 and one 3B3) from being able to have my Trim-T10s in active mode. However, something worries me: I'm a fan of analog music. My main source is a Rega P8 turntable. I like to know, or believe, that all the harmonics present in the source are transmitted to the speakers unaltered. I read the BAX-1 converts the analog signal to digital, separates it, and converts it back to analog. I'm afraid of losing that analog essence after these two conversions, or at least some components of my signal. What do you think?


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« Reply #306 on: 1 Oct 2025, 05:59 pm »
Hi Steve

Yes conversion is always a concern but utilizing the BAX crossover I think we do it in the mot transparent manner possible.
I can tell you when I do the comparison in my demo room for people Active always wins  :thumb:
There is just so much better control of the drivers and the sound power response of the speaker that active provides it swamps and downside the conversion process may contribute.
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« Reply #307 on: 1 Oct 2025, 06:25 pm »
Thank you!  :thumb:
It's starting to tickle me... :oops:

If I ever go, you will provide the correct configuration file for my specific setup to put into the BAX-1 ?  No need for me to measure or fine tune anything ? 

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Re: BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS
« Reply #308 on: 1 Oct 2025, 07:05 pm »
I heard the Bryston Active Speakers at the Dealer with a Bryston Rep doing the demo with the Model T actives. I forget off hand the demo track but let me tell you the bass was to die for, comparable to what you might hear at a State of the Art movie theater. Could be argued though one doesn't need that much bass. Like in my Bryston setup I have 10 bass woofers so I have plenty of Slam bass as it is.

My sample track is Black Sabbath- War Pigs Studio version where I can measure 100 decibels 'C' and 'A' weighted at the same place in the song. Which as far as I know is rare to find a song where  A & C can measure the same. :smoke:

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« Reply #309 on: 1 Oct 2025, 07:19 pm »
Thanks!  8)

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« Reply #310 on: 1 Oct 2025, 07:52 pm »
Thank you!  :thumb:
It's starting to tickle me... :oops:

If I ever go, you will provide the correct configuration file for my specific setup to put into the BAX-1 ?  No need for me to measure or fine tune anything ?

Hi Steve - if you are happy with the sound currently then no changes need to be made.
But the Active setup does allow you to adjust frequencies below 120Hz if your room has issue in that area through a GUI.

james


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Re: BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS
« Reply #311 on: 2 Oct 2025, 01:35 pm »
A few months ago I completed an 8 page review of the Active T10s, which James has, and referenced the conclusion page in a post around that time. I'm not attached to any publication, so it's not published in full anywhere. James has offered to make copies available to anyone who requests via email

Your concern on whether the digital conversion lessens the ultimate sound quality was very much on my mind; I was thinking it may well be an unspoken concern with some potential upgraders to active, so I chose to address it in the review. To do this I took the time to set the system back to passive mode and listened for a few days, to re-orient to the changed status, and then went back to active. I was careful to use some of the same tracks and volume levels. Listening at the same volume is key; a minor change in volume can change your perceptions of the sound quality.

Following is the excerpted part that discusses my experience in freshly comparing passive to active, while keeping all other parameters the same. Part of my interest was whether my analogue source, a turntable feeding Bryston BP2 phono stage, would show any "oh buts" in the comparison.

"The Elephant In The Room
I hadn’t done a passive vs. active comparison between a T type speaker since upgrading my original Model T speakers quite a long time ago. The BAX-1 crossover uses DSP for very fine-grained control of crossover characteristics, much more so than can be achieved using passive components. Bryston claims that such levels of control even help to improve the sound power characteristic of the speaker, the relative evenness of the total envelope of sound all around the speaker cabinet, not just the frontal frequency response. The analog signal that leaves the preamp is converted to digital in the BAX, and back again to analog at the outputs to the amplifiers. I got to wondering: is all that A-D and D-A doing any harm? Somehow leaving something good on the cutting room floor, so to speak?
So I took the time to revert the system back to passive crossover operation, and listened to selections from a demo playlist, of both digital files locally stored, and vinyl from the SL-1210G turntable, using my old Shure V15 V with new Jico SAS/B stylus, eventually switching back to active mode, and re-listening to the same material. (Digitally speaking, I don’t stream digital files. I use music stored on local drives.) The comparison was completely subjective. I did no measurements, apart from checking volume levels.

The change to active mode was unquestionably an improvement, in every way that matters. Not only were dynamics improved overall, but micro-dynamics, that make for subtle shadings and details within the aural canvas were clearer, less homogenized. A specific instrument within an ensemble could suddenly be played or struck with more emphasis, without affecting the other sounds around it. The soundstage was at least as wide, high and deep as with passive, and with certain recordings, extends with a sense of three dimensionality well outside the speakers, and further back in depth. If you’ve ever heard a tall line-source speaker design, you already know that soundstage height is usually abundant. (Depth is a discussion unto itself – I’ve never sat in Carnegie or Massey hall and thought “I can hear the rear wall of the stage”. I tend to think of audiophile discussions of recorded depth to be relative to various recorded instruments and performers within the aural “stage”.)"

Hope this helps.
Brian



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Re: BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS
« Reply #312 on: 2 Oct 2025, 04:51 pm »
Thank you, Blueshound,

Very nice explanation about my concern.

I would like to read this 8 pages review, James, is it still available?

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« Reply #313 on: 2 Oct 2025, 05:01 pm »
Hi Steve - I have the PDF

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Re: BRYSTON ACTIVE SPEAKERS
« Reply #314 on: 2 Oct 2025, 06:08 pm »
Thanks Steve, and James for facilitating.

If you have any questions, please free to ask.

Brian