Cold air intakes and front strut sway bar/brace

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jupiterboy

Re: Cold air intakes and front strut sway bar/brace
« Reply #40 on: 19 Sep 2016, 03:05 pm »
Not every car has a hackable ECU.

Johnny2Bad

Re: Cold air intakes and front strut sway bar/brace
« Reply #41 on: 19 Sep 2016, 04:36 pm »
Do very many cars have strut tower shapes but not have actual coilovers?

I'm not sure what you mean here, but basically an automotive suspension engineer has two choices when designing a front end. He can use MacPherson Struts, or he can use conventional Shock Absorbers.

A "coilover" is a type of suspension absorber ... it does not describe whether you have a Strut or a Shock assembly. It is simply a coil of spring steel surrounding the gas or oil valved section of either device. It may be present or absent, depending on the design of the part.

The strut is more complex and less rigid, but offers more space between the wheels, especially useful for tranverse mounting of an engine / FWD transmission assembly in a monocoque chassis vehicle. The shock is less complex, more rigid, and takes up a bit more space between the wheels.

Very few non-racing cars use shock absorbers in the front end, but one notable exception is the Mazda Miata, a car renowned for handling prowess right off the showroom floor. Also shocks are the most common with a Body-On-Frame vehicle, like a domestic light truck (the Honda light truck is a monocoque vehicle and uses struts, therefore most truck owners view it with suspicion as it's not as strong an assembly in terms of resisting bending loads ) ... what Chrysler called "Unibody" when they introduced it to the North American made market. On the other hand, purpose-built racing cars will inevitably use shock absorbers at all four corners.

So, in summary you can have a Strut Tower Brace or a Shock Tower Brace, but the terminology is not interchangable (so you can't have a Shock Tower Brace on a BMW, and you can't have a Strut Tower Brace on a Miata). And, in general, for best handling you need a Strut Tower Brace, while you may not experience significant improvement by adding a Shock Tower Brace, as it already is a more rigid design to begin with.

Regardless, like many "racing" parts you might be offered, there are rather useless braces available in the marketplace, which are there for looks rather than offer any significant rigidity improvement. So it's up to the car owner to choose a truly rigid brace instead of just another flexible member.

Johnny2Bad

Re: Cold air intakes and front strut sway bar/brace
« Reply #42 on: 19 Sep 2016, 05:04 pm »
And in addition, with regard to "Dyno Charts", it is easy to fudge the numbers on a Dynamometer, if the operator is so inclined, and there is competition amongst businesses offering Dyno services for your $100 run. Naturally the one that generates the highest numbers with the exact same vehicle will eventually own the local market, as it is in many cases a pissing contest.

Furthermore, no two Dynamometer Systems give identical values with the same vehicle, and there are a half dozen different manufacturers of the devices.

Finally no Dynamometer exactly simulates actual road conditions, so that what wins the Dyno Pissing Contest may not win the race (or offer the lowest fuel consumption, or tow the greater load, or whatever your criteria may be for modifying an engine from stock).

If you know and understand the conditions under which a test was made, if you understand what "areas under the curve" are important, then you can perhaps make comparisons with dyno data sheets. If you don't  ... well ...

And please note that no Dyno can measure horsepower. All Dynos measure only torque and generate a mathematical answer from the torque values to create a horsepower figure. Horsepower is the stuff of RPM (at 5252 RPM, torque = HP; at revolution speeds above 5252, HP increases with RPM x a given static torque value. That is why a Formula1 car can boast 1000 HP but only 200 ft/lbs of torque; peak power is obtained at 18~20,000 RPM).

Broadly speaking, a horesepower value is of limited use if you are assessing motor performance. Torque values are where the lessons are in any attempt to use measurements to seek higher performance. Going back to F1 as an example, the driver in a modern F1 car will choose between a set of Engine Computer-controlled configurations that all modify the torque curve. He will choose one torque curve under wet conditions, for example and switch to another for dry tracks.

The technology and application of these power curves is perhaps the most competitive and secret aspects of F1 engine development; far more important than the engines themselves (which are spec engines ... if you own a F1 team, you can buy the same physical motor that Mercedes or Ferrari or anyone else uses, which is mandated by the rules).

Similarly, the winner in a Moto GP (motorcycle) race almost always runs a bike that is lower in peak HP than the lower placing competitors. His torque curve, however, is better suited to the track actually run.

The above are examples of how the torque curve is the most important aspect of engine performance (and we are only scratching the surface here) provided you have a goal that involves actual performance versus a goal of "more" x the biggest possible number (horsepower). (You will also save money ... RPMs are expensive). And further, since no two Dyno's will offer the same values for a given engine or engine+chassis, it's the entire set of Dyno Sheets showing the changes in the torque curve when testing various motor configurations that is the critical information, not the one sheet with the biggest number.

I must apolagise for the above post, as it's off-topic, so I won't be addressing the issue further here. Take it or leave it.