[AintJoM0mma]

The totems are really small. 3ft tall. 8" wide. weigh about 50 lbs.  Those coincidents are meant for tubes.

Anyone heard Usher audio? Know about their rocking capabilities?

[byteme]

Anyone heard Usher audio? Know about their rocking capabilities?

If you ruled out the Lorelei's you'd not want the Usher's either.  Virtually identical drivers (the 6 series anyway) and have similar attributes: excellent musicality,great dynamics,BIG soundstage, detail.  That kind of thing.

[AintJoM0mma]

so whats missing?

The Lorelies, I just dont think they would be the best rockers.

[F-100]

AJM,

No one person (that is not a well experienced audio veteran or long established audio dealer) has experience with the entire list of equipment you present before audio forums. There will be those few who claim to have done so, hopefully you will have the common sense to detect their bullshit.

Your attitude in this thread also sucks. These people are not obligated to participate in this thread and you should respect that. Many people and many forums have given up assisting you partly due to the attitude you give them when people try to assist you. Whether you like the advice is a moot point, it is freely given to you out of good will.

Opinions about equipment will always differ. One man will give individual equipment or combinations praise while another will be directly in contrast. Your approach is wrong. Instead of creating a long list of hi-fi equipment, it would be more prudent to simply state your tastes, previous gear owned, budget, and then go from there. Usually for each response, you get a different suggestion. This is where product knowledge and experience comes into play. For someone as new and inexperienced as yourself, narrowing down a list of gear you have never even laid your eyes on is flat out wrong.

At the rate you are going, you will never find happiness. A week ago you were loving the Def Techs and swearing by their sound. This week you want to ditch them as quickly as possible. You hook up the Odyssey, which needs repairs – for all of a few minutes. You then decide in that short period of time, using the Jolida as a pre, that its not for you. Hard to determine given such a short period of time, especially if you now don’t even like your speakers? So how do you know you like it again ?!?!?

Get your butt out and listen to as much gear as possible, even if its in the same store and the same equipment. My words may be harsh but they also yield truth. Later on I will search for dealers in your area. I know there are quite a few south of you that sport some incredible equipment that falls within your budget. Speaking of which, the way your budget increases could single handedly raise the national economy level. Why don’t you wait until you have between 10 (your half way there already) – 15 grand to spend on a system. At which point, nearly anything you choose will be pretty damned good.

AJM,
   This is the BEST advice you ever get from anyone in this forum. Go back and reread words by words and follow his advices.  Don't let anyone make decision for you but instead let your ears do the work.
Now, get your butt out to an audio store or even better an audio show.

[Mad DOg]

...Anyone heard Usher audio? Know about their rocking capabilities?

there's LOTS of opinions about Usher all over the audio forums. do SOME research on ur own...that's something they teach in school...at least they were doing that back when i was going to school...anyways, i'm sure you've wondered why you were being taught certain things in class thinking that you'd never use it again? well, here's ur opportunity to apply what you've been taught...

[byteme]

so whats missing?

The Lorelies, I just dont think they would be the best rockers.

Thanks doug, your right, im looking for some accuracy and musicallity, not just blaring heavy metal.

  OK, I'm done.    

[Mad DOg]

so whats missing?

The Lorelies, I just dont think they would be the best rockers.

EXACTLY!!! you don't THINK they'd be...but you haven't HEARD them for yourself! you can't possibly know how a speaker sounds without hearing them.

i would never have thought that my bookshelf speakers w/ a tweeter and a puny 5.25" woofer would kick the crap out of some Def Tech BP-10B floorstanders based on looks and specs...but they sure do. and they do it quite handily! they don't go as low but they do everything else A WHOLE LOT better. who'd have thunk that? not me...

[Mad DOg]

so whats missing?

The Lorelies, I just dont think they would be the best rockers.

Thanks doug, your right, im looking for some accuracy and musicallity, not just blaring heavy metal.

  OK, I'm done.    

           

[AintJoM0mma]

what bookeshelves would those be?
And you said it yourself, Usher and Odyssey are practically the same, so ill add Usher to my list just because they have other speakers after the one in that price range, an upgrade path.

[Mad DOg]

so I just dont think they would be the best rockers.

GO LISTEN to some dynaudio 42s, 52s or spendor l3/5a ...i think that'll will rearrange your preconceived notions based on assumptions of what you think a speaker can do.

[Mad DOg]

what bookeshelves would those be?

Onix Reference 1s

And you said it yourself, Usher and Odyssey are practically the same...

not me...i haven't had the chance to audition either the Usher or Odyssey speakers yet. and btw, you get an F for misquoting.  

[F-100]

  OK, I'm done.    

Me too...

OK, Mad Dog, he is all yours ...

[Mad DOg]

  OK, I'm done.    

Me too...

OK, Mad Dog, he is all yours ...

all this has gone nowhere , so like the rest of you, i

[vr3mxstyler2k3]

I talk to this kid fairly regurally. I must say all the advice given here has been repeated, and repeated for the past months. This kid has heard this before, and maybe if everyone keeps drilling it in his head he will figure it out.

Ah well, I am only 15, not much older than him. I learned the hard way, I wasted tons of money (but not near the money he is throwing around). Either way, trying to explain to him others cant tell him what he will like is like trying to tell a shovel it wasnt made to dig.

Have a nice day!
The kid from next door,
Trey
 

[doug s.]

The totems are really small. 3ft tall. 8" wide. weigh about 50 lbs.  Those coincidents are meant for tubes.

Anyone heard Usher audio? Know about their rocking capabilities?

the proac ref 8 sig's are REALLY small - 10.5" tall.  6" wide.  they ROCK.  

check out this room, 26x38x8.5.  HUGE.  w/openings to two spaces *at least* as big as that room.  the tiny proacs ROCKED in there. (no, the speakers in the pics are not the proacs, these are HUGE in comparison to the proacs!!!




the victory's also rock.  even w/8wpc of toob power!  but, who cares if they like tubes.  they will also rock w/yer odyssey amp.  what's yer point?  

doug s.

[Mad DOg]

what's yer point?...

 

[byteme]

I know I said I wouldn't but I have to:

what bookeshelves would those be?
And you said it yourself, Usher and Odyssey are practically the same, so ill add Usher to my list just because they have other speakers after the one in that price range, an upgrade path.

Oh FUCK!  You have a list of 15 speakers to choose from, growing by the minute, and now you're worried about an upgrade path?  Do you have A.D.D?  Oh, look, there's something shiny!  Wonder how it sounds...

 

[DeadFish]

Doesn't anyone in here have a troll license and enough ammo yet?

[byteme]

Alright, Aintjomamma, I was just informed that you're 14.  As such, I will make this one last attempt.

I started in this hobby about the same age.  By 16 I worked at a big box AV store (American TV) had an Onkyo integrated amp and tuner, crap speakers and thought I was in heaven.  Everything I knew came from reading, Stereo Review, Audio, Julian Hirsch - who never met a piece of equipment he didn't like - and I made my choices based on what reviewed well.  I then discovered Stereophile, took out a loan and bought the best stuff I could afford from their recommended list.  Ended up with a Superphon preamp, B&K pre, Ortophon cartrige on a crap turntable, Polk RTA11t's (which I still have to this day) and can distinctly remember sitting in my chair listening to the harmonies on Paul Simon's Graceland, vinyl.  Did it get any better?!?  How the fuck should I know?  I'd never heard anything else...  

At that point I would have had many of the same questions you currently have, we'd have had different attitudes but similar questions.  We both had something in common though, neither of us know/knew a goddam thing about what to listen for - to this day I'm not sure I still do.  

The only way to get to the point where you do is to listen.  Just like everyone here has been telling you.  Listen to everything, crap systems, good systems, great systems.  What you can learn from people on these forums is how certain components interact, synergies, that type of thing.  The other thing you can learn from these people is what type of sound each of them likes.  To me this is HUGE and one of the first things I'll PM someone about (or better yet search for prior posts and learn about them)  if they offer advice on equipment.  This way if they have heard a piece of equipment and like/dislike it, if we have the same sonic goals I know I can rely on their input and it's almost like I've auditioned it myself.  What you can't learn here is what YOU like.  

This hobby is a journey.  You can't start at the finish.  I don't think there is a finish.  There is always another tweak, a new cable, a mod for your crossover/dac/amp, different NOS tubes!!  The list is endless.  It's part of the fun and the disease.

You're 14.  You're not supposed to know everything, and, fortunately you can't just download what you don't know - this isn't the Matrix.  Hopefully you won't get discouraged by all this, hopefully you won't have pissed off so many people that noone will pay any attention to your threads any longer.  Hopefully you'll look back in 3-4 years and laugh at how naive you were "back then".  I'm 37 and do that all the time.  Hopefully you'll go out and listen to some f'ing systems and stop arguing when people give you advice!!    Until then, enjoy the music you like, review the stuff you run through your system, and share your experiences.  That, also, is part of the fun - and the disease.

[Rocket]

Hi Guys,

I'm certainly not going to recommend another speaker as i think he has enough to demo.

I just want to know how can a 14 kid afford this expensive audiophile equipment?

I bought my first system at 14 which was a turntable system with amplifier included and 4 speakers.  I should have stuck with it because at the time i loved it.

Btw i think this is one of the best threads i've read.

I wish i could have a thread this long but am luck to get one or two people to respond   .

regards

rod