I bet I can make your speakers sound better.

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Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #260 on: 13 Feb 2020, 05:05 pm »
Danny, I've decided the Wharfedale Linton speakers I mentioned above are too small for the room, which is a family room with adjoining kitchen.  15' wide 25' long 9' ceiling, speakers go on the 15' end of the family room, kitchen is at the opposite end.

I've always been attracted to Klipsch Heritage speakers, maybe because I'm 68 years old and wanted speakers like those when young.  I followed Tyson's Forte III upgrade thread with interest, and am thinking now about buying a pair of those.  You posted in that thread that you might put together an upgrade package for the Forte III.  Is that for sure going to happen?   

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #261 on: 13 Feb 2020, 06:53 pm »
I've always been attracted to Klipsch Heritage speakers, maybe because I'm 68 years old and wanted speakers like those when young.  I followed Tyson's Forte III upgrade thread with interest, and am thinking now about buying a pair of those...

Klipsch Forte III - $ 4,000

Discarding the OB (you need a lot of space to the three walls with the GR-Research biggers), I would buy some KEF floorstanding.

* KEF R700 or the new KEF R7.

* KEF R11.

In my case I would buy the R700 ($ 900 x2) now that they are liquidating them. Better yet, that Danny bought them and made all improvements! With new crossover.

If your listening distance is very large, KEF R11.

Tyson

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #262 on: 13 Feb 2020, 06:59 pm »
The Forte IIIs sound better than the KEF's.  Much, much better.  IMO.

And the Forte IIIs you can pick up as "open box" for $2600 or so:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Klipsch-Forte-III-Heritage-Distressed-Oak-Speaker-AUTHORIZED-DEALER-2000-list/123689278766?hash=item1ccc749d2e:g:vzwAAOSwoahcukY7

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #263 on: 13 Feb 2020, 07:09 pm »
It was assumed that before he would go to a store and listen to both and thus have an idea of its sound.

$ 2,600 is very atractive price!

But

[Big IMG, link] https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JkUAAOSwLtxcukZG/s-l1600.jpg



NRC Measurements: KEF R11 Loudspeakers

https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2147:nrc-measurements-kef-r11-loudspeakers&catid=77:loudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=153

-> Total harmonic distortion + noise graphs

Tyson

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #264 on: 13 Feb 2020, 07:47 pm »
It was assumed that before he would go to a store and listen to both and thus have an idea of its sound.

$ 2,600 is very atractive price!

But

[Big IMG, link] https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JkUAAOSwLtxcukZG/s-l1600.jpg



NRC Measurements: KEF R11 Loudspeakers

https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2147:nrc-measurements-kef-r11-loudspeakers&catid=77:loudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=153

-> Total harmonic distortion + noise graphs

Don't get me wrong, I like the sound of those speakers.  Just like the modded Forte's better. 

I will say though, that the R11 is better built from the factory.  The bracing and internal structure is WAY better than the unbraced Forte III.

On the other hand, the Forte is 99db efficient and the R11 is only 90db efficient.  If you're going to use lower powered amps at all, the Forte will have a big advantage there.  And you can always add bracing to the Forte (like I did). 

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #265 on: 13 Feb 2020, 08:17 pm »
Only I can said that I have a cheap KEF Q100 5.25" coaxial. After my cheap mods (I am not done yet, because I am going step by step to check if the modifications involve sound improvement) they sound much betterrrrrrrrrrrrrr than the originals. KEF 5.25" Uni-Q is a very good driver but KEF save money in everything else.

Of course, bracing + No Rez too the new speakers. Crossover has cheap components. Zvu improved the R300 with new crossover -> better spinorama than original.

Just now: Ángel Cabrera - Cabrera plays Debussy (2014) PlayClassics, Master. TRT sound (calibration 2.0f) 2020 {24-96} [FLAC]  DR15

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-874.html#post6083053

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Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #266 on: 13 Feb 2020, 08:29 pm »
Like Tyson says, discounted Forte IIIs are available and that's the way I'd buy them, I've been receiving notifications from HiFi Shark for a few months and seeing good deals on undamaged ones.  Also thinking of KEF, Elac, PSB.  For this room I will seldom sit down to listen, that I will continue to do in my upstairs music room with OB speakers.  Currently there's a fairly mediocre setup that my wife listens to while working in the kitchen and I'm looking to upgrade it, and then I'll use it more while downstairs doing things also.  So sitting in the sweet spot with perfect imaging is not as important.  But still important if I do sit down  :thumb:

Maty says Danny bought R700s and made improvements with new crossovers.  I'd like to know if Danny has an upgrade package for them.  I did a search in the GR forums and didn't find it.

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #267 on: 13 Feb 2020, 08:51 pm »

DeeJayBump

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Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #268 on: 13 Feb 2020, 09:20 pm »
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Maty says Danny bought R700s and made improvements with new crossovers.  I'd like to know if Danny has an upgrade package for them.  I did a search in the GR forums and didn't find it.

My sense is that Maty meant IF Danny were to develop mods/upgrades/crossover for them, not that he [Danny] already has.

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Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #269 on: 13 Feb 2020, 09:29 pm »
Yes, Maty has a way with words.  Appreciate your input Maty on the Kef R700s.

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #270 on: 13 Feb 2020, 09:34 pm »
Off topic

English is not my first or second language. Spanish and Catalan are the first.

My town: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarragona

More than two thousand years before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarraco

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Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #271 on: 14 Feb 2020, 12:27 am »
Tarragona looks beautiful Maty, I would like to visit there!


maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #272 on: 14 Feb 2020, 07:49 am »
After Rome it is the European city with the best Roman remains. And the cathedral is very interesting too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarragona_Cathedral

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #273 on: 15 Feb 2020, 12:30 pm »
Yes, Maty has a way with words.  Appreciate your input Maty on the Kef R700s.

You need to hear the videos from the same Youtuber. KEF R3 and R5.

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=168122.msg1783060#msg1783060


KEF R300 inside :(

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?44139-Some-measurements-of-Kef-R300-drivers&s=52a9311e7ae28f993789d03b335187fb&p=630496&viewfull=1#post630496

Complex crossover with cheap components:

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?44139-Some-measurements-of-Kef-R300-drivers&s=3aac7d75880503245f66de24259ba68a&p=630266&viewfull=1#post630266


Presumably all the old R series and the new one suffer from the same. It is a widespread evil, brands only spend money on the external aspect and in marketing. It is assumed that the expensive Reference series does not suffer from these spending cuts, it is assumed.

It is better to spend money on improving loudspeakers that have excellent drivers and that measure quite well, at least is ALWAYS my choice, loudspeakers or amplifiers.


Homer2

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Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #274 on: 27 Feb 2020, 04:59 pm »
Opened up my daul 12" sub last night, removed the sparse pink insulation and lined the box with NoRes.  Finally, I can control the low frequency decay times in my room now that the sub can stop playing a note! I feel like fixing the elongated decay times from speaker cabinets should be the first priority before starting the room treatment journey.

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #275 on: 4 Mar 2020, 10:12 am »
Dynaudio Confidence 50

https://stereo-magazine.com/review/dynaudio-confidence-50-review

Tweeter  + midrange crossover




Bass crossover




Only € 26,000. I suspect they have only thought about the speakers appearance!

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #276 on: 4 Mar 2020, 10:38 am »
Dynaudio Confidence 50: frequency & impedance

Rescaled (as NX-Xtreme scale)






maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #277 on: 17 Mar 2020, 03:40 pm »

maty

Re: I bet I can make your speakers sound better.
« Reply #278 on: 17 Mar 2020, 03:47 pm »
JBL Studio 530 crossover

https://hardforum.com/threads/best-speaker-ever.1897170/

Rotated, resized and optimized



Too much components and complex crossover in a cheap loudspeaker -> much money to invest I think. Maybe to upgrade only the tweeter section? and the electrolytics to spend money. And No Rez too.


Updated: uploading the image again.