Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?

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Rod_S

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Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« on: 22 Jul 2015, 02:19 pm »
Hi;

I'm curious what fellow Bryston amp owner's connector of choice is for the amp end of the speaker cable and why you like it over the alternatives. Spade or banana and if banana straight or angled?

I've always used bananas for their simplicity and very secure and tight connections but have been thinking about going spades when I purchase my next speaker cables. I'm thinking of spades on the speaker end due to how thick/stiff the wire is going to be as I suspect bananas would put a fair bit of strain on the speaker binding posts as the cable weight bares down on them but I'm still up in the air about the amp end. I have B&W 800 Diamonds so my speaker binding posts are completely vertical rather than horizontal like the Bryston amps.
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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #1 on: 22 Jul 2015, 08:51 pm »
I'm using bananas. They have quite a strong connection and don't seem to be putting any strain on any part of the system (speakers or amps).

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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #2 on: 22 Jul 2015, 08:57 pm »
Rod_S
800 Diamonds - wow!  :beer: :beer:

I'm running the 804s with both WBT bananas (straight) and spades (angled) at the amp (4BSST2) end for bi-wire (Bryston cables)

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« Reply #3 on: 22 Jul 2015, 09:31 pm »
Thanks

804's are great speakers, my dealer had 804 Diamonds for a couple years in his showroom, absolutely great sound. Every time I went over there I always went straight to that room to sit down and listen. He had an expensive Moon setup, the 750D as the source/DAC and the 700i integrated with Siltech Classic Anniversary interconnects and speaker cables, both the 330i/L and 700i/L were on hand. Absolutely incredible setup. He has since added the 802 Diamonds.

I didn't know Bryson offered WBT connectors. Did you order them that way or did you install them after you purchased them? Which WBT's? I know depending on the model I think some would probably be worth more than the cable itself as the angled silver bananas, WBT-0610Ag are $400 for the set of 4. I think the spades are right around that price as well for the WBT-0681Ag.

I'm going to pick up the Siltech Prince cables and have the Furutech carbon fiber/Rhodium spades and/or bananas installed.

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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #4 on: 22 Jul 2015, 09:56 pm »
Bryston made speaker cables with Bryston's own locking bananas - work like a charm for me.

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« Reply #5 on: 22 Jul 2015, 10:04 pm »
I purchased the WBTs 0610 Ag bananas and the 0681 Ag spades (the larger ones I think) from a Canadian online dealer Take-Five Audio and ordered just the cables from Bryston. I had the WBT crimping tool and ordered some extra WBT sleeves and put them together myself.

Honestly I can't tell the difference in the WBT connectors vs. Other respectable brands.
I saw them one time at a HiFi show and thought these things were really well put together.

I'd love to get into the 802s, but space is an issue in my setup.

Let me know how the Furutechs work out for you - I have purchased some of their USB cables as I get ready for my BDP2 and BOT plunge.

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« Reply #6 on: 23 Jul 2015, 10:12 am »
I suspect it would be hard to do a comparison between connectors, at least for me with the Prince I will have no means to compare to a standard Prince cable with Siltech's standard connectors. They do offer the WBT's also as an option.

For me it's more of a similar situation to you, I just love the look of the Furutech connector design. I recently received a Siltech Golden Ridge II AES/EBU cable and I had the Furutech carbon/rhodium XLR's fitted on that and the fit and finish is unlike anything I have ever seen before. I have no idea though how much better they may sound compared to a run of the mill XLR. The Siltech standard Neutrik XLR's just look so blah so I wanted a bit of bling :)

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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #7 on: 23 Jul 2015, 05:20 pm »
I connect my 4Bsst to my 803D's with Bryston speaker cables and I use the bananas at the speaker end and raw cable at the amp.  I had Bryston put on the bananas and spades.  As it turned out I didn't want to drill as large a whole as would have been needed in the floor to route the cable into the other room, so I had to cut off the spades and hence the raw connection.  The raw connection works great so I didn't bother to order new ones and solder them back on.  I think some spades may not fit the Bryston amps all that well, so you may want to check that out before you have any soldered on.

Good Listening,
Mike

Rod_S

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« Reply #8 on: 23 Jul 2015, 10:04 pm »
No chance of me doing any soldering, Siltech will be installing the Furutech's directly at the factory. Siltech cables are far to expensive to mess around with yourself.

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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #9 on: 23 Jul 2015, 10:11 pm »
I understand they are expensive, that's why I suggested you make sure any spades you consider will fit your 28's.   :)

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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #10 on: 24 Jul 2015, 12:03 am »
Ah gotcha  :thumb:

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« Reply #11 on: 27 Jul 2015, 01:47 pm »
I e-mailed Furutech a coupe days ago and got a response. The Carbon/Rhodium spades are 8mm which is what is needed for the Brsyton amps so I would be safe.

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« Reply #12 on: 27 Jul 2015, 04:38 pm »
That's good news, one less thing  :thumb:

Rod_S

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« Reply #13 on: 27 Jul 2015, 09:00 pm »
Indeed. If you hadn't mentioned it it wouldn't have even occurred to me that they might be a smaller size. I took the opportunity to ask Furutech if they had any plans on offering angled bananas in the carbon/rhodium finish but unfortunately they said there was nothing in the works. It's a bit odd they don't have them in the carbon/rhodium line because they have XLR's, 2 lengths of RCA's, bnc's, spades, straight bananas, phono's, phone plugs, IEC, AC, Schuko and even binding posts.

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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #14 on: 13 Nov 2015, 12:54 am »
Posting a little late as I'm new to the forum. Your choice in termination is just what it is. Your choice. A good quality spade is just as good as a banana. Ive been making my own speaker cables for a year now. Trying various manufacturers termination. WBT, Furutech, Furez, ViaBlue. Call Ken at AVOutlet.com. The Viablue spades have the same metallurgy as WBT without the price tag. I have loads of them. I never stop making cables because I keep changing speaker positioning. Keeping the resistance of the termination as low as possible is key for maintaining detail. Don't solder. You crimp. Use a Furez pure copper 8mm spade (LOW IACS). Bare wire terminates right into connector. No ferrule required.

But I have to say something. Angled banana's. I'm tired of trying different ones. Just buy the WBT 0645. When it comes to these, you get what you pay for. Parts-Express is on back order for the Red. I wonder why.....

OH.... I'm looking for 804s 805s or 803s in Cherry. You have 800D's (D1)? Don't ever sell them. 

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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #15 on: 13 Nov 2015, 06:27 am »
I keep hoping that hifi manufacturers will start adopting Speakon connectors...

Chicago

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« Reply #16 on: 15 Nov 2015, 03:41 pm »
Posting a little late as I'm new to the forum. Your choice in termination is just what it is. Your choice. A good quality spade is just as good as a banana. Ive been making my own speaker cables for a year now. Trying various manufacturers termination. WBT, Furutech, Furez, ViaBlue. Call Ken at AVOutlet.com. The Viablue spades have the same metallurgy as WBT without the price tag. I have loads of them. I never stop making cables because I keep changing speaker positioning. Keeping the resistance of the termination as low as possible is key for maintaining detail. Don't solder. You crimp. Use a Furez pure copper 8mm spade (LOW IACS). Bare wire terminates right into connector. No ferrule required.

But I have to say something. Angled banana's. I'm tired of trying different ones. Just buy the WBT 0645. When it comes to these, you get what you pay for. Parts-Express is on back order for the Red. I wonder why.....

OH.... I'm looking for 804s 805s or 803s in Cherry. You have 800D's (D1)? Don't ever sell them.

Re: B&W’s see below link for 803 and 804’s.   

http://www.audioconsultants.com/UsedEquipment.aspx

Rosenut or Piano Black finish, but they do have 803 D2 Cherry demos at their Libertyville store.  They might work something out for you. 

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Re: Speaker cable connector preference at amp end?
« Reply #17 on: 15 Nov 2015, 03:59 pm »
Thanks Chicago,

But, I'm specifically looking for 800 Series and not the newer 800 Diamonds. So, it's the 805s, 804s, 803s. I have the 803D (800 Series or Gen 1). BW re-designed the tweeter and changed the crossovers. I had 802 DIAMOND....for about 3 weeks. I had the 803 Diamond for about 4 weeks. I don't know what they were thinking after that re-design.... :duh:

Thanks again for any leads!! :thumb: