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Not here. I hear the AC glare playing my system at levels of 65-75db.
If that is true (and I'm not saying that it isn't), then we should feel the same effect watching a movie or TV, as our brain is busy putting a bunch of still pictures together to make motion. No?Wayner
This is kind of funny; I think I suffer from almost everything you mention here (except maybe phonophobia).Having experienced listening fatigue, I don't think it's really the same as misophonia. Similar at times, perhaps, but not the same. Misophonia usually occurs for me for specific noises (people chewing, rustling of plastic packaging) and results in emotional (often visceral) reactions that I'm not always aware of at the time. For example, I'll be sitting on the couch, minding my own business (i.e., spacing out) and suddenly find myself getting irritable only to later realize it's because my girlfriend is rustling a bag of chips or something.Listening fatigue, for me, is more related to hyperacusis or actual distortion. I don't experience it too often anymore, but it's usually centered around glaring mids, like trumpets or female vocals, and usually in a too-loud bar or similar place. It's more of a feeling of "Oh, God! Make it stop!" rather than wanting to put my fist through somebody's face, which is what misophonia is like.*Or maybe I should say that hyperacusis can lead to listening fatigue? That's probably more accurate than to say that they're related.I used to experience listening fatigue semi-regularly when I was younger and used cheap headphones and cheap CD players. Usually it would happen if I fell asleep while listening to music or if I had been listening for more than a couple of hours at a time. From my experience, I'm going to agree with what others have said that it has to do with distortion and my brain interpolating what I'm hearing into something that makes sense. I think of it as "mental dithering" and after a while my "processor" just can't handle any more and has to cool off.*I would like to clarify that as a general rule I don't want to put my fist through my girlfriend's face. Though sometimes she does think it's okay to eat Airheads in bed. *rustlerustle* *glomglom* *cringe*
I wonder if anyone on AC doesn't or hasn't experienced listener fatigue!
From what I hear, and it sounds like you have first-hand experience, misophonia can be a real drag. ugh.I think of hyperacusis as an abnormally low pain threshold for sound. So, the sound only has to be there for a moment or two; if a sound is going to be painful it's going to be painful almost immediately. The treatment for hyperacusis and tinnitus, by the way, generally should NOT involve earplugs. Too much quiet has a good chance of making it worse.
Scotty,I have walked out of concerts because the musicians and or the music sucked. I would say I get fatigue from bad live music. Actually, I don't get to the point of fatigue. I just leave. But I am going to infer that there is fatigue from live music because I would have had them if I stayed.
Similarly, it seems to me and some other ardent recordists, sample rate is more important than bit depth or word length in digital audio storage. Tim De Paravicini has said (and, apart from having a lot of respect for him, this fits my experience) that a 44.1k sample rate is "good" to frequencies of about 3500Hz and, by implication, 88.2k is good to 7k; 176.4k to 14k. This is the way I hear it, too. I know one leading British engineer who says he would happily record at 16 bit word lengths if the sample rate was 176.4. The extra bits are useful when recording, though, but once the recording is mixed and mastered 16/176.4 would seem to be enough for very high fidelity.The frequently raised notion that sample rates beyond 44.1k are unnecessary because we only hear to 20k (if we're lucky) are off track; the reason for high sample rates are just as much about the way this affects the sound quality of the audible part of the spectrum, whether we can measure it or not. And whether we understand it or not. I freely admit to not understanding it.
Hi all.After a few years I have discovered that my ex-Naim ss amplifier was irritating me, if you see what I mean, I could not listen to music more than one hour, there was something inside me that irritate me, a sensation of fatigue and discomfort.Now that I am tubes user, that went a way.However, whrn I had my Audio Nirvana 8" full range driver the big peak between 1KHz and 5KHz made music listening very tiriing.But now, with my Omega 7F OBD with my Decware tube amplifier that's all things of the past.Solid state amplification is only for ambiance and background music.Guy 13
Dave mentioned it but I want to emphasis I believe (yep, its a "belief" because I don't have scientific evidence) controlling EMI/RF is very important to reducing not only listener fatigue but physical fatigue in general.
Misophonia is mostly only a drag when I'm tired or irritable or stressed. Otherwise I can mostly actively tune it out. Even so, I don't really think of it as a drag so much as some people's chewing just sounds extra gross to me. I'm sure other people suffer from it more acutely than I do. It's kind of an interesting phenomenon and I'd like to know more about it as I've just recently learned about it. From my own experience, I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually related to some sort of emotional recall. I can distinctly remember early incidences of each of my trigger noises.I should admit that I'd never heard of hyperacusis until last night, but reading a little about it sounds like what I've experienced in the past (just today, actually). If it's what I've experienced it is a low pain threshold for certain (loud) noises, but for some reason they seem to cause resonances and distortion that nobody else hears. I'd explain it like this: imagine the pitch of, say, an ambulance siren at a high volume; normally it starts out being clear, then as it gets louder it becomes slightly uncomfortable and distorted, and then can suddenly sound like a speaker severely clipping, which can be pretty painful.I used to have a Dayton DTA-100a and the way it would distort when playing Miles Davis was very similar sounding.Also, I'd argue that listening fatigue is probably mostly just fatigue, as somebody else already suggested. Will your ears get fatigued after listening to something at a high volume? Sure. Will your brain and ears want to give up after listening to something really intensely for hours on end? Most likely. Will your ears feel fatigued when you're otherwise feeling wiped? Makes sense.I think my point is that there are probably many factors that should be taken into consideration when trying to study listening fatigue. Rather than trying to answer "what is the one reason for listening fatigue?" instead take a more holistic approach, taking into consideration sound reproduction, environment and room acoustics, as well as the listener and all of his or her moods and conditions. Sounds daunting, but I'd bet it'd give a better representation of what's actually happening.
I think you have to define what distortion is. In my view, it's anything reproduced that is not as the original. So if the speed is too fast or too slow, that is distortion. If the volume you are listening to the recorded music is not the same volume as the original music was played (and then recorded), its distortion. If the spectrum of musical reproduction is not the same as the original recording event, its distortion. Then (but not finally) the grinding brutality on our ears by something gone wrong (electrically or mechanically) during reproduction is distortion.So I ask myself, can we have distortion during a live event in which none of the instruments use pre-recorded (samples) as in a synthesizer? But what if a guitar string buzzes on a fret, is that not distortion? Or is that the character of the note. And if we have a dirty Hammond B3 organ playing into a Leslie speaker, is that not distortion?Could I become fatigued listening to a live event with all natural type of instruments? And then, what happens if I do not like the music? Will I get fatigued really quick because of internal conflict (its music, and I like music, but not this kind.....)Wayner
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