Heed Enigma 5 speakers

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lolligagger

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Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« on: 14 Mar 2014, 11:47 pm »
Hello, even though I have posted on this forum before, I am for the most part new to AudioCircle.
I would like to know if anyone on in this circle has had any experience with Heed Enigma 5 speakers (or any of the Heed Enigma speakers, for that matter) and if so, what is your impression of their performance?
I find the Heed Enigma concept... a non directional speaker with no sweet spot so that you get pretty much the same sound stage anywhere you are in the room... to be very interesting. But I live in Italy and it is impossible for me to so somewhere to audition them. So, before I go through the trouble and expense of having them shipped to me from Germany, I would appreciate any feedback you could give me.
Thanks,
Peter

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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #1 on: 16 Mar 2014, 12:13 am »
My impressions (without hearing them):

Seemingly expensive, average efficiency, non-remarkable bass extension, like that it can be placed close to a wall and the transmission line design.

As Darko mentioned, I expect the presentation to be more of a 'wall of sound' than a monitor style of well defined image (which naturally adds resolution).  Should be good more for relaxed entertainment than analytics, so not well suited for the typical audiophile.  For what they do, they might be just the ticket for a smaller room where the ideal listening setup (straight forward) is not possible.

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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #2 on: 16 Mar 2014, 12:52 am »
Here's a similar design at a much lower price.

http://directacoustics.com/?page_id=16


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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #3 on: 18 Mar 2014, 12:31 am »
Hi and thanks for the reply.
I posted this question both on here and on Audiogon forum with the hope that someone would have actually heard them, but it seems no one has.

Thanks for the link. I do know about the Silent Speakers and from what little I have been able to find I think they are considered not as good as the Heeds.

JLM,
 Darko does say that they present a very wide expansive sound but he also says that their imaging is excellent and remains rock solid no matter where you sit in the room.
From his review:
''Move around the room and the Heeds’ stellar imaging remains rock solid. Ambient information and ‘air’ are also strong points.''

He says that the bass is excellent.

From his review:
''Bass depth is easily found, heft and weight not so much – easier to get working nicely in a smaller space. The Enigma 5 remind me of the way Rega voice their RS1/RS3 – nimble bass bounce rides well ahead of chest slam. The lower frequencies on the Enigma are meatier than the Regas. On the best track from Radiohead’s Hail To The Thief (“The Gloaming”) the bass compelled me to bring the squat Heeds further into the room. The rear-firing port benefits from a little (but not too much) breathing room. Do not doubt the ability of the Enigma to go as low as many other similarly priced floorstanders.  Radiohead’s bass throb was nothing short of stunning.  Such eloquent low frequency realisation anchors songs like this to the floor.''

One of his favorite speakers is the Magnepan MMG and he raves about it. In theue Heed review he says going from the MMG to the Heed shortens the soundstage somewhat but renders greater refinement. 

I had heard of them before and was mildly interested due their having no real sweet spot. But his review is so positive that it is what really piqued my interest in them.

I emailed him and asked him why, if they were as good as he says they are, did he not want to own them himself. I explained that I was not baiting him and that I was in effect asking him what defects they might present that would keep him from owning them. Here is his response:

''I don't own the Heeds because I have a whole bunch of others speakers rotating through here.  If I weren't a reviewer, I could happily live with them.  Soundstaging is some of the best there is at this price point.  Add to that great listenability off-axis and you have a very sociable speaker!''

Here is the link to his review:
http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2012/11/heed-enigma-5-loudspeaker-review/

Here is a link to Darko's comments about the Heed Room at T.H.E. Show Newport Beach in 2012 where he found them to be without a doubt the best in show:

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2012/06/the-show-newport-beach-2012-part-2/


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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #4 on: 18 Mar 2014, 10:05 am »
I like Darko's reviews, but as with any professional reviewer you have to read between the lines and also look for what he didn't say.  (I'd translate "sociable" as laid back, lacking dynamic performance and lacking in ultimate resolution - again no doubt due to the diffused sound created by it's design/placement.)  I know it's hard to get multiple/big time reviews, but after 40+ years into this stuff, a single fanboy does not impress me.  I still own speakers of similar flavor and enjoy them (especially as I age).  They are easy to live with (don't reveal many warts, have full bodied reasonably deep bass).

Again, they could be very well suited for a smaller space where the ideal setup is not possible.  Morel makes some nice drivers, but these speakers still seem pricey.

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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #5 on: 18 Mar 2014, 11:50 am »
Looks like they have an Italian Distributor. Perhaps they have a local shop where you can hear them. Or time for a holiday in a country that has a shop that carries them.

http://www.dmlaudio.net/


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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #6 on: 18 Mar 2014, 01:26 pm »
Yes, I hear you on the 'single fan boy' issue. That is why I would have liked to get feedback from others who either have them and/or experienced them at a show or some other demo.

I know of the Heed distributor in Italy. It is not too far from me as a matter of fact. Trouble is at they have on hand the Heed electronics and don't have any of the speakers available to audition. I have been in contact with the European distributor in Germany and he tells me that he is going to be coming to Italy to and bringing some speakers to the distributor. But that is sometime in the future. In any case, however, I know that at in the future I will be able to actually hear them. And the EU distributor seems like a really nice guy and wants to be accommodating, so if I am lucky, perhaps he I can talk him into bringing them here to my house so I can audition them in my system in my listening environment.

JLM,
Can you please share with me what it is in this article that you feel Darko didn't say? Is it only the idea that sociable might mean laid back? Or do you feel there is more? 


lolligagger

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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #7 on: 18 Mar 2014, 01:46 pm »
I just found another review of the Enigmas.

http://save-earth.co/2013/10/28/the-next-batch/

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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #8 on: 19 Mar 2014, 09:53 am »
Don't care to extrapolate further on a speaker I've never heard (have heard the same concept though) or on someone else's words/thoughts.

Read enough reviews from enough people and you can begin to develop of sense of how one product stacks up against others, especially when you're familiar with some of the same products they've reviewed.  We all want to say we're after absolute sonic truth but tastes do vary you also need to look for reviewers/pieces that address your priorities.  The internet is a great resource, but effectively gleaning from it can take considerable time.

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Re: Heed Enigma 5 speakers
« Reply #9 on: 19 Mar 2014, 03:38 pm »
Ok, thanks anyway. I am going to have to hear them for myself.