Salk's Veracity ST reviews

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Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« on: 23 Dec 2013, 01:29 pm »
Hi,

I did not find much reviews on the Veracity ST so I decided to start this thread with, humbly, my very own (and rather emotional than technical) review of these fine speakers.

If you find professional reviews or want to add your own, be my guest !

It all began with a very convincing review (http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0408/stalk_signature_songtower.htm) of the SongTower QWT by Nels Ferre on Enjoy The Music.com...

I was looking for a decent pair of speakers in the $2000-2500 (!) price range to go with the venerable McIntosh MC2100 amplifier that I had just acquired, with an MX118 preamp/tuner and, upon reading the review, I decided to contact Salk in order to get more details on their speakers and how much it would cost to get a pair over here.  Living in France and Salk being a “factory direct” company from the USA, you can imagine how hard it was for me to have any kind of listening experience with any Salk creation, to get at least a glimpse of what they really are “made of”.

It would have been so easy to simply buy some very nice French or European made speakers, as there are so many worth considering, or going the Klipsch, KEF or B&W way, since they are available just about anywhere but I both wanted to consider brands which I had never listen to or never heard of before and find a speaker, even though not the most expensive, that I wouldn’t want to change within the next 6 months because of some limitation(s) that I might have thought was not that important after all but which would become the only thing that I would think of (and hear) every time I would play music.  The SongTower QWT seemed like a very good choice because their only real lacking seemed in the bass extension, which I could eventually fix with a decent subwoofer, should I ever feel that it was needed.

So began a writing exchange with a very patient, convincing and, of course, admittedly biased Jim Salk, regarding what I was looking for and which speakers would best fit my needs.  This took place over quite some months so, in the meantime, both the Supercharged SongTowers and the Veracity ST saw the light of day...

...both with more bass extension.  So I went from the SongTower QWT to the Supercharged SongTower, to the Veracity ST and then, since the budget had already exploded, to even considering the Veracity HT2-TL, as the price difference with the Veracity ST was not that huge, why not examine every option ?  In regards of what I had told him of my placement issues and room size, Jim made a strong case for the Veracity ST.  It might seem like a big jump budgetwise but, by then, it became more and more evident that I really, really did not want speakers which I would feel the need to change anytime soon and, I admit it, the Veracity ST fever was getting contagious !  Even more so that, since I had an incredible deal, I was now owning McIntosh MC501 monoblocks.  The SongTower QWTs, no matter how good they may be, just seemed to have become a little “light” for my system (even though I’m now sure that the result would have been great).

At this point, however, I don’t know if Jim started to think that I would never buy anything and that I was just a “loony” wasting his time – if so, to his credit, it never showed in any of his emails – as I was inquiring on all of his speakers (new designs, old designs, open baffles...).  After all, I was still on my “mission” to find that rarest of speakers with both the sound I would love and the price I could (stretch to) afford.  On this mission, other than Salk, I’ve discovered 2 very fine speakers that I only knew by name and reputation, for one and not at all, for the other : the Magnepan 1.7 and the PMC Twenty 24.

The Magnepans were out of the question because of the place I have but I was really impressed !  Maybe one day...

The PMCs were equally convincing, especially with their incredible smoothness and handling of all kinds of music, no matter the equipment driving them (from my MC2100 to Heed, to Marantz, to Lavardin) but also because of their incredible bass quality and low extension !  The only thing I had against the PMCs was some kind of a “miss” somewhere in their overall frequency response that I, at first, thought was just an hallucination, or not linked to the speakers, but which, after hours of listening, I heard very rarely but just often enough to become convinced that there was their trade-off for such an incredible bass quality and extension.  Still, I could have easily lived with that.

But being someone who had adopted the Betamax format instead of VHS, the Apple Computers instead of Microsoft PCs, I thought that I could give the Veracity ST, a $4000 + (Please, don’t tell my wife !) speaker – a new design with barely any real review – which I had never listened to, from a company unknown to me, a chance...

I will skip everything in between the time I’ve placed my order and the time I’ve received my beautiful speakers (Veracity ST in Standard Natural Curly Cherry with front firing bass port, black plinths and stainless steel spikes for hardwood floors) as it would fill another story by itself (not because of Salk Sound, must I specify but rather the transport company  and the French Customs) and go directly to my first impressions...

From "right out of the box" to "2 days in only" :
- First, they really, REALLY do look much, MUCH better "in person" than on pictures !  No picture I saw ever really did the quality of the finish any credit.  Truly fantastic craftsmanship (and I "only" took a standard finish) ;
- Right away, I heard music, not speakers ;
- Great bass, even listening at low volume ;
- Lively (not dull) sound and not broken-in yet ;
- Sounds I had never heard before in songs I thought I knew very well and had played on other very expensive equipment ;
- Great match for my McIntosh amps and preamp (either the MC501 monoblocks or the MC2100 - what a fantastic amp this is, by the way ! - and C2200 preamp), which really was worrying me because, again, I was buying speakers without having ever heard them ;
- The RAAL ribbon tweeter (another possible worry for me, not being convinced by ribbon tweeters, so far) is superb. I don't know yet if it's the best I've heard but it sure does a great job and, most important, the "blend" with the SEAS Excel W16 woofers works awesomely well for my ears ;
- Customized front firing bass port (instead of the original rear firing one) not only allows for real easy placement in my room configuration (i.e.: not enough breathing room for a rear firing bass port but in, still, quite a big room) but also really, really “delivers” and if the sound was in any way sacrificed, well, owners of Veracity STs with rear firing bass ports really are lucky people ! ;
- They don't make bad recordings sound better (but the C2200 does that, of course, only to a certain extent but this is why I think that they're such a great match) ;
- I finally feel like I have “sound for my money” (and much more), with the speakers that my system deserved (and needed).  The Veracity STs are not cheap but, nonetheless, they are a steal ! ;
- I never want to switch the music off ! ;

I now need to let everything "sink in" and experiment with details to optimize sound but it is clear to me that I have made the best possible choice.  Thank you Jim and crew as you do an incredible job !

I’ve included, at the bottom, the “Welcome Home” playlists which I had prepared for my Veracity STs.  They include a mix of very good recordings (to my ears, anyway...), songs I know very well (or thought I did...) and have heard on many different systems and, of course, some songs “just for fun”, no matter the quality of the recording, to enjoy but also hear how they come out.

I won't comment the songs individually as the goal is not to bore you even more but, let's just say that, in Playlist 1, songs 1 to 7 revealed great voices, great bass extension, outstanding individual instruments (especially the piano in "Mistral Gagnant" and the harmonica in "Si Fragile").  Songs 8 to 13 are most of my usual "standards" for both sound and enjoyment and they came out ever so beautifully !  It's really hard to speak in terms of "imaging" and "3D" as, like I said before, you do not hear speakers anyway !  You just have music. It's deep, it's wide, everybody is where they were meant to be... Songs 14 to 18 were to test some points more precisely (some types of sounds, some voice, if some "so-soish" recordings could sound better than what I've heard of them so far...).  I will just say that every test was marvellously passed and that I've never heard Pearl Jam's "Indifference" sound so good before: wide, detailed, deep... goose bumps !  And God bless (well made) transmission line cabinets !!!

As for Playlist 2, since I was convinced after Playlist 1, I just enjoyed..  It’s really been a long time since I rock and rolled !!!  Also, people whom elected Maurice André The Best Trumpet Player of the Century probably did so after hearing him play through Salk speakers !

I did not mean to have the "perfect test" on every aspect as I already have a couple of test CDs (+ Salk's CD...)  for that.  To me, the most important test is how it all sounds while listening to my music, not with a "perfect track" which I will never listen to.  I agree it's nice to see how the equipment handles all kinds of sounds and tunes and paces and so on but, at the end of the day - literally - when I sit and "fire it up", all I want is to really like what I hear.  Every time.

Now I can say that, with Salk's creation (and all the equipment in front), I've accomplished that.

What’s next ?  Well - other than burn in and enjoying even more - I honestly think that Jim Salk should open a plant in France or deliver his great speakers himself.  If I ever make the move up to the SoundScape family, I don’t think that I’ll be able to go through another DBSchenker delivery ! ;o)

Regards,
François


Playlist 1 (somehow more quality/test oriented (but full of fun nonetheless))

1-   Mining for Gold, Cowboy Junkies
2-   Blue Moon Revisited (Song for Elvis), Cowboy Junkies
3-   Angel, Massive Attack
4-   Hyperballad, Björk
5-   Des Armes (Léo Ferré), Noir Désir
6-   Mistral Gagnant, Renaud
7-   Si Fragile, Luc De Larochellière
8-   Your Latest Trick, Dire Straits
9-   The Marching Saints, Harry Belafonte (Live at Carnegie Hall)
10-   I still get jealous, Louis Armstrong
11-   Fremilo, Dizzie Gillespie
12-   Angel Of Harlem (U2), The Persuasions
13-   My baby just cares for me, Nina Simone
14-   The Gallery, Muse
15-   Phoner to Arizona, Gorillaz
16-   Musik Non Stop, Kraftwerk (from “The Mix”)
17-   A Strange Kind Of Love, Peter Murphy
18-   Indifference, Pearl Jam


Playlist 2 (definitely more “fun” oriented (but full of quality nonetheless))

1-   Stand Up, The Prodigy
2-   Make Some Noise, Beastie Boys
3-   Y’a tu kelkun, Groovy Aardvark
4-   Rock And Roll, Led Zeppelin
5-   Mr. E’s Beautiful Blues, Eels
6-   Back In Black, AC/DC
7-   Loser, Beck
8-   If You Want To Sing Out, Sing Out, Cat Stevens
9-   Good People, Jack Johnson
10-   I’ve Got You To See Me Through, Eleanor McEvoy
11-   Slow Emotion Replay, The The
12-   St. Louise Is Listening, Soul Coughing
13-   Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad, Moby
14-   Happiness Is Easy, Talk Talk
15-   Te Deum (Charpentier), Maurice André
16-   Gavotte en Rondeau, Maurice André
17-   Brandenburg Concerto #5 (Bach), Jordi Savall: Le Concert Des Nations
18-   Brothers In Arms, Dire Straits
« Last Edit: 17 Jan 2014, 08:36 am by kingpin31 »

Big Red Machine

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #1 on: 23 Dec 2013, 03:34 pm »
Tres nice!  Heard about the shipping debacle and glad you are relieved that they are everything you hoped they would be. :D

kingpin31

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #2 on: 23 Dec 2013, 04:49 pm »
Thanks !  And all this happiness (mainly) under 5 Watts... :D

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Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #3 on: 24 Dec 2013, 10:04 am »
I'm impressed!

I have yet to hear a Salk speaker!
[Stuck in Asia for another 2 months with no hope of experiencing Salk speakers!] Sighs.............. :( :( :(

charmerci

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #4 on: 25 Dec 2013, 05:30 am »
C'est superbe! Je suis heureux que vous aimez votre nouveau Salk haut-parleurs.  :thumb:

Magnatest

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #5 on: 25 Dec 2013, 12:29 pm »

 :thumb:

Pictures please!

mcgsxr

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #6 on: 25 Dec 2013, 01:09 pm »
I fall in love with every pic of a Salk cabinet, I will have to save up!

Interesting mix those playlists, I can likely brew up 70% of both! and will hunt down the rest given the crossover in our musical tastes.

Glad you found satisfying sound, and I hope you have lots of time to enjoy them!

kingpin31

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #7 on: 26 Dec 2013, 02:04 pm »
:thumb:

Pictures please!

I have only taken a couple for the moment and this was pretty much right after finishing to assemble the plinths so they're not yet in their definitive places (which is not possible for the moment, anyway, since we currently are in "Christmas Mode"  :D and that I have not, as you can see, received the cabinets which I've had custom made for the whole system).

And, don't worry, those white power bars are not for the sound system !!!

At first sight, the bass port seemed huge but, believe me, it is "just right" ! ;)


« Last Edit: 26 Dec 2013, 03:26 pm by kingpin31 »

kingpin31

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #8 on: 28 Dec 2013, 09:00 am »
I fall in love with every pic of a Salk cabinet, I will have to save up!

Interesting mix those playlists, I can likely brew up 70% of both! and will hunt down the rest given the crossover in our musical tastes.

Glad you found satisfying sound, and I hope you have lots of time to enjoy them!

Maybe it's because we're about the same age and come from the same country !  :wink:

Now that I've been "living" with the Veracity ST for a little while, I did find one shortcoming I did not expect (but apparently should have) which might be due to the ribbon tweeter (wide horizontal dispersion but limited vertically - which, on the other hand, is not always a bad thing) : When sitting, the sound is perfect.  When standing up, I'm losing highs.  I know it's Salk's recommandation (to sit, in order to more or less have the tweeter at ear level) but I could not imagine that the difference would be so important.

The living room being next to the kitchen/dining room (it's one big room), I often put music while cooking or other and I feel the miss.

Other than that, we're still honeymooning ! :D

...and it's always nice, from time to time, to find out that some recordings were "not that bad" after all.
« Last Edit: 28 Dec 2013, 01:30 pm by kingpin31 »

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Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #9 on: 28 Dec 2013, 02:37 pm »
Maybe it's because we're about the same age and come from the same country !  :wink:

Now that I've been "living" with the Veracity ST for a little while, I did find one shortcoming I did not expect (but apparently should have) which might be due to the ribbon tweeter (wide horizontal dispersion but limited vertically - which, on the other hand, is not always a bad thing) : When sitting, the sound is perfect.  When standing up, I'm losing highs.  I know it's Salk's recommandation (to sit, in order to more or less have the tweeter at ear level) but I could not imagine that the difference would be so important.

The living room being next to the kitchen/dining room (it's one big room), I often put music while cooking or other and I feel the miss.

Other than that, we're still honeymooning ! :D


...and it's always nice, from time to time, to find out that some recordings were "not that bad" after all.

I understand what your are saying about the vertical dispersion.  I knew of this before I bought a pair of HT2-TLs (for other reasons I no longer have them BTW), but I didn't expect I would notice it as much as I did.  Apparently I do more listening while standing/moving around than I thought. ;)

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Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #10 on: 28 Dec 2013, 05:31 pm »
Thanks for your photos and excellent review of the Veracity ST!  I hope you enjoy them for a long time.

Now that I've been "living" with the Veracity ST for a little while, I did find one shortcoming I did not expect (but apparently should have) which might be due to the ribbon tweeter (wide horizontal dispersion but limited vertically - which, on the other hand, is not always a bad thing) : When sitting, the sound is perfect.  When standing up, I'm losing highs.  I know it's Salk's recommandation (to sit, in order to more or less have the tweeter at ear level) but I could not imagine that the difference would be so important.

What you describe is common to most MTM speakers.  I have standard SongTowers with the small ¾" dome tweeter, and I hear the same as you describe.

When you sit down, your ears will be between the two woofers.  They will both be the same distance from your ears – you'll be listening inside the "MTM plane".

If you stand and listen above the MTM plane, your ears are closer to the upper woofer and further from the lower one, causing sounds from one to be out of phase with the other, and cancel each other out. This is more prominent in upper midrange, making the speakers sound more bass heavy when you stand up.   At first after sitting down again, you may think the bass doesn't sound as loud, or that the midrange and treble just got louder, making the speakers sound brighter overall.

People often blame this on the lack of vertical dispersion by the tweeter, but most of the change you hear is below the 2500 Hz (2700 Hz?) crossover point. This is just one of the things MTM speakers do.

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Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #11 on: 28 Dec 2013, 10:42 pm »
I have the standard Songtowers and often listen from the adjacent room (kitchen).  I haven't noticed a dramatic difference - is the effect much more noticeable with the Raal vs. dome?

BTW, those Veracity STs are absolutely beautiful! 

Rocket

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #12 on: 29 Dec 2013, 02:14 am »
Hi,

Great looking speakers and I saw a Macintosh amplifier in the background of your photograph.  For critical listening you should always be in the seated position between the two speakers.  I guess there are some other designs that would work better for listening when standing but I'm not sure whether they would have the characteristics of this speaker though.

Cheers Rod

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Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #13 on: 29 Dec 2013, 04:46 am »
Thanks for your photos and excellent review of the Veracity ST!  I hope you enjoy them for a long time.

What you describe is common to most MTM speakers.  I have standard SongTowers with the small ¾" dome tweeter, and I hear the same as you describe.

When you sit down, your ears will be between the two woofers.  They will both be the same distance from your ears – you'll be listening inside the "MTM plane".

If you stand and listen above the MTM plane, your ears are closer to the upper woofer and further from the lower one, causing sounds from one to be out of phase with the other, and cancel each other out. This is more prominent in upper midrange, making the speakers sound more bass heavy when you stand up.   At first after sitting down again, you may think the bass doesn't sound as loud, or that the midrange and treble just got louder, making the speakers sound brighter overall.

People often blame this on the lack of vertical dispersion by the tweeter, but most of the change you hear is below the 2500 Hz (2700 Hz?) crossover point. This is just one of the things MTM speakers do.

Thanks for the explanation. :)

I find this interesting as I wonder if this aspect of MTM designs has something to do with my apparent preference for WMT designs (something I realized after living with an MTM design for awhile)?

Speaking of which, a friend of mine is expecting his pair of SS8s to be shipped soon.  I'm anxious to hear them!

kingpin31

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #14 on: 29 Dec 2013, 09:33 am »
Apparently I do more listening while standing/moving around than I thought. ;)

Me too ! ;)

kingpin31

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #15 on: 29 Dec 2013, 09:42 am »
What you describe is common to most MTM speakers.  I have standard SongTowers with the small ¾" dome tweeter, and I hear the same as you describe.

When you sit down, your ears will be between the two woofers.  They will both be the same distance from your ears – you'll be listening inside the "MTM plane".

If you stand and listen above the MTM plane, your ears are closer to the upper woofer and further from the lower one, causing sounds from one to be out of phase with the other, and cancel each other out. This is more prominent in upper midrange, making the speakers sound more bass heavy when you stand up.   At first after sitting down again, you may think the bass doesn't sound as loud, or that the midrange and treble just got louder, making the speakers sound brighter overall.

People often blame this on the lack of vertical dispersion by the tweeter, but most of the change you hear is below the 2500 Hz (2700 Hz?) crossover point. This is just one of the things MTM speakers do.

OK, thanks for the information !  It's true that the speakers I've lived with the longest were two ways with only 1 woofer so I've never noticed this before.  It is not a big issue and, of course, it's always better to listen in the best possible conditions but it took me by surprise, not expecting it.

I'll see the difference when, in a couple years, I "grow-up" to the SS8...  :thumb:

kingpin31

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #16 on: 29 Dec 2013, 09:48 am »
Hi,

Great looking speakers and I saw a Macintosh amplifier in the background of your photograph.  For critical listening you should always be in the seated position between the two speakers.  I guess there are some other designs that would work better for listening when standing but I'm not sure whether they would have the characteristics of this speaker though.

Cheers Rod

Thanks !  I do agree that these speakers are quite hard to beat when sitting at the right place which, unfortunately, does not happen often enough !!!  As for the McIntosh in the background, I can't wait to have everything in its right place as I currently have stuff all over the place so the listening conditions are far from optimal.  ...which, I guess, is good news ! ;)

kingpin31

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #17 on: 17 Jan 2014, 08:46 am »
May I just add ?...

After a burn-in period and some fiddling with speaker placement and new cables, the enjoyment is still growing !  Le Boléro de Ravel by l'Orchestre Symphonique de Montréal is simply incredible !

And I just can't stop listening to my best CDs and SACDs as well as all the music which I have not yet played just to see what I was missing.  How many times did I ask myself : "Where did that come from ?!"  :D

Rocket

Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #18 on: 17 Jan 2014, 01:33 pm »
Hi,

The hardest part of upgrading your system with high quality products is then the limitations of recordings.  I've found a chinese female artist called Yao Si Ting and I have 2 of her recordings which sound amazing with my system.  I've also experimented with JVC XRCD's which don't sound as good but I'm always looking for good quality music.   Good luck.

Cheers Rod 

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Re: Salk's Veracity ST reviews
« Reply #19 on: 17 Jan 2014, 03:46 pm »

I have to agree in part to the OP's point on vertical dispersion. However I sit mostly in critical listening sessions so I guess it does not brother me much. Funny thing I discovered while using carpet slides to move my speakers around. The slides lift the tweeter height by ~ 1/2", I found I liked the sound better with the slides in place. I suppose you could raise the speaker even more and maybe find a compromise between sitting and standing. One more thing I read somewhere about judging sound of system by listening from an adjacent room. When I'm in rooms adjacent the music sound great to me for general listening.

Hello Mr. Swerdlow!  I have to acknowledge him as the person who lead me to this Salk room over 5 years ago. His intelligent and meaningful posts in another forum site is what helped me to purchase Salk speakers and I've never had any reservations.