High quality desk top speaker? Full range drivers...

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Danny Richie

Re: High quality desk top speaker? Full range drivers...
« Reply #80 on: 26 Nov 2013, 02:31 pm »
I am considering this topology seriously, therefore I need 8 units for a stereo pair. What would be the approximate total price for 8 units?

My price just went up a bit on these because of the longer voice coil. But I think I can still offer them at $29 a piece.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #81 on: 26 Nov 2013, 02:36 pm »
With speakers on the back like this, would you have to have them out in the room like an open baffle speaker?  I'm thinking it would be nice to have these narrow speakers on each side of my flat screen, but they would need to be pretty close to the wall.

The bipole design would require them to be out in the room just like an open baffle speaker.

I think I could do a whole line of lifestyle, sound bar, and on walls with these.

I might even design a long and narrow open baffle array of these. I could just let a single unit play full range while the rest cover the lower region. Or I could drop an open baffle tweeter into the mix like one of the Neo's.

Lots of good ideas...

skeeter99

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« Reply #82 on: 26 Nov 2013, 03:04 pm »
Four new samples just arrived. These are suppose to have five times the X-max of the first samples.

They look awesome.



Danny these look awesome! I've got some Dayton RS100's in small ported boxes running full range on a little Lepai T-Amp from PE on my desk now:



A set of yours with a woofer on the side to fill in the low end would be a great upgrade. Consider me interested :D

Scott

If these check out then I may go ahead and bring some in. It is not going to be very profitable, but a lot of people are wanting them. Sometimes you just have to reward your customers...

Danny Richie

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« Reply #83 on: 26 Nov 2013, 03:26 pm »
Good questions...

I have a few questions about these speakers-

What sort of power handling are we looking at? (and would that increase with a higher crossover point may be?)

My test show they should handle 30 watts of power if run full range. My 30 watt mono-block tube amps were letting them sing really well but they ran out of X-Max a few times. That was the first version with only .5mm of X-Max though. The new ones have 2.5mm of X-Max. So they should handle the full 30 watts full range okay. If the bottom were rolled off on them that should shoot up quite a bit.

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What sort of dimensions would a ported box (and the port) be?

By the T/S parameters they sent with these they need an optimal ported box of .165 cubic feet. And they -3db at 68Hz. I modeled it down to .12 cubic feet and lifted the output slightly in the 120Hz to 400Hz range and made the roll off a little smoother and more gradual. It still hit a -3db of 78Hz.

I might also work on a small transmission line design.

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What sort of dimensions might a sealed box be?

I am going to try some really narrow boxes that the inside measurements are 3.75" wide, 6" of depth, and 9" tall. I will try these with 1/2" MDF. I am a little unsure about lining them with No Rez. The foam is an inch thick on No Rez. I'll see what I can figure out and do some experimenting.

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what is the smallest size of sealed box could these fit it?

These are fairly high Q so they need a little more air space than your typical 3". Optimal sealed is .146 cubic feet by the numbers, but looks good down to about .08 cubic feet or so.

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Could that box be smaller if you ran a higher HF crossover?

Actually I have found they sound better in a larger box with the use of a filter to roll off the lows, but you could drop the size down some if filtered.

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What sort of dimensions might the 130 driver and this combo be?

With the first samples I tried a side firing M130 in a separate box. What I didn't like was the delay that the inductor caused to the M-130 and that the polarity had to be reversed to avoid them being out of phase acoustically. I am going to continue to work on this idea.

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As a centre channel, would this driver be up to task (or would an MMTMM ported combo with 5 of them make an effective/ useful/ nice flat option?)?

I was thinking of using three or five of them in a center channel with the center one being the only one playing full range. That would be awesome. A matching small floor standing version designed for close wall placement could be made to match it as well using a TMMMM type configuration. And the crossover point of coarse would be pretty low. Maybe in the 200Hz to 300Hz range with a gradual slope.

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If you were going to sell these as a "lifestyle" set up, what sub/ subs would you recommend (assuming someone didnt want to spend the $600 odd on the 12" servo)?

Another good question that I have been thinking of myself. I am still thinking on it.

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Would a pair of M165X's may be work as a pair of subs with these in a ported (or TL) box as a cheaper option (and may be a Dayton Sub amp?)?

I will figure something out.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #84 on: 26 Nov 2013, 03:28 pm »
  They look great Danny!  Just what I have been looking for to use with my desk top computer.Any idea how long it will take to get them once you place an order with the manufacturer? You can count me in for a pair.

Typically 4 weeks of production and 4 weeks on the water. They may be able to crank them out faster though. I don't know the answer to that yet.

Danny Richie

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« Reply #85 on: 26 Nov 2013, 03:30 pm »
Are these shielded?

They are not shielded, but that is much less of a problem now that video screens are no longer effected by the magnetic fields. Only an issue if your computer tower sits next to them. 12" away or more and you should be okay. I wouldn't get them any closer than that though.

jeffh

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« Reply #86 on: 26 Nov 2013, 04:26 pm »
I am going to try some really narrow boxes that the inside measurements are 3.75" wide, 6" of depth, and 9" tall. I will try these with 1/2" MDF. I am a little unsure about lining them with No Rez. The foam is an inch thick on No Rez. I'll see what I can figure out and do some experimenting.

How about something like this: CSS Natural Fibre Insulation

 

It's very popular on the Full Range Driver forum at diyAudio.com

Danny Richie

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« Reply #87 on: 26 Nov 2013, 04:41 pm »
How about something like this: CSS Natural Fibre Insulation

 

It's very popular on the Full Range Driver forum at diyAudio.com

That would be good for absorption, but has no damper. If I build these out of 1/2" MDF then they will really need a damping layer like that of No Rez. I might have to go with 3/4" MDF for some of these tests.

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« Reply #88 on: 27 Nov 2013, 04:03 pm »
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE offer this as a COMPLETE kit with the enclosure for us "less skilled" craftsman that want things as simple as possible...  PLEASE! I dont care if you jack up the price a little...  id pay up to $200 for a pair.

Danny Richie

Re: High quality desk top speaker? Full range drivers...
« Reply #89 on: 27 Nov 2013, 04:13 pm »
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE offer this as a COMPLETE kit with the enclosure for us "less skilled" craftsman that want things as simple as possible...  PLEASE! I dont care if you jack up the price a little...  id pay up to $200 for a pair.

How about some good priced CNC cut flat packs with recesses that allow you to glue them up yourself? I know a guy.... :green:

skeeter99

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« Reply #90 on: 27 Nov 2013, 04:18 pm »
How about some good priced CNC cut flat packs with recesses that allow you to glue them up yourself? I know a guy.... :green:

Now we're talkin :D

Oscillate

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« Reply #91 on: 27 Nov 2013, 05:35 pm »


Might this be recycled denim cotton insulation pressed into sheets?

jeffh

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« Reply #92 on: 27 Nov 2013, 07:38 pm »
Might this be recycled denim cotton insulation pressed into sheets?

Correct, that is exactly what it is.

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Re: High quality desk top speaker? Full range drivers...
« Reply #93 on: 27 Nov 2013, 08:41 pm »
How about some good priced CNC cut flat packs with recesses that allow you to glue them up yourself? I know a guy.... :green:

I can live with that... 

Now that you got me thinking...  one thing that most desktop enclosures suffer from is they are way to low on the desk...  how will you compensate for that? Im no designer but im curious what you were thinking in terms of enclosure designs? I always liked the slant on something like the spica TC-50s... would something like that work well?

PS: I dont know anything about design...  so take this with a grain

Danny Richie

Re: High quality desk top speaker? Full range drivers...
« Reply #94 on: 27 Nov 2013, 09:43 pm »
I can live with that... 

Now that you got me thinking...  one thing that most desktop enclosures suffer from is they are way to low on the desk...  how will you compensate for that? Im no designer but im curious what you were thinking in terms of enclosure designs? I always liked the slant on something like the spica TC-50s... would something like that work well?

PS: I dont know anything about design...  so take this with a grain

I was thinking the same thing. Since this box size is fairly large for a 3" driver I was thinking of making a thin mini-tower design with the 3" driver in the top of it. The outside parameters of the cabinet would be 10" tall, by 4.785" wide, and 7" deep.

That should do it.

JakeJ

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« Reply #95 on: 28 Nov 2013, 05:38 am »
I've been following along on this thread and have a need for a set for a second PC in my office.  AM I correct in thinking that there will be a kit offered that has just drivers and other components but will have plans for those with woodworking skills?  I am a bit confused also by all the design ideas around an added ambiance tweeter and the M130 woofer.  If it becomes a three way it would seem to be too big for a desktop application, or am I reading too much into it?

After you have decided on the final version of the driver it would be nice if you could provide a bit of clarification on the various designs you will offer.  I am most interested in a fun little build of a desktop PC speaker.  Cheap and cheerful, please.

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Re: High quality desk top speaker? Full range drivers...
« Reply #96 on: 28 Nov 2013, 06:04 am »
The way I understand the discussion there could be a number of different designs around this driver. One would be a desktop version while others would be suitable for stereo and/or HT in a small room.

I would be interested in multiple versions. A desktop version for me and an HT version for my step daughter.  She is in for Thanksgiving. I offered to give her one of my sets or build a set for her but everything I have, or any of Danny's existing kits, are too big. She is currently living in a one room apartment and needs something smaller.

Mike

Danny Richie

Re: High quality desk top speaker? Full range drivers...
« Reply #97 on: 28 Nov 2013, 06:09 am »
These things will work well in a number of options, but first up is a single driver design for desk top applications.

JakeJ

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« Reply #98 on: 28 Nov 2013, 04:04 pm »
Thanks for that, Danny.  I will watch and wait.

Danny Richie

Re: High quality desk top speaker? Full range drivers...
« Reply #99 on: 29 Nov 2013, 03:48 pm »
Okay these new drivers are great. I really have not heard anything like them.

I am working on details to have a batch made.

I need to come up with a name for these little giant killers now. Any ideas...?