[brother love]

....so "fairness has nothing to do with it"?....so exactly what kind of light does that put your placing in the T/P Best of sweepstakes....because if I were ever to "win" something I would definitely like to have everyone see that "win" as fairly achieved....but then again that could just be a failing on my part...

Cheers

We don't live life in a vacuum, & neither do reviewers covering RMAF. 

Do you honestly think Stereophile, Absolute Sound, etc. reviews every room at RMAF or any other show like this?  Do you think that they recognize smaller companies fairly at the expense of their PAID deeper pockets advertisers?

Maybe they should state "best in show of what we saw" ... would that be more politically correct ?

Great job Tyson & Pez. You guys are top notch & VERY entertaining.  Too bad some want to throw darts instead of taking what you say as YOUR opinions & your opinions ONLY ...

[Daedalus Audio]

funny how these threads go off in tangents...

I've watched Tyson and Pez do this for several years and they really treat this like a serious job, they may well be the most fair and honest reporting of any show you will find. I often don't agree with their assessments or comments but I totally respect their opinions, among other traits these guys have very good ears and I value their opinions on room balance, tonality etc. anybody who wants to take shots at them, I would suggest they first follow these guys around before during and after the show to really see what goes into their reporting.
Everything about this hobby is by it's nature subjective, so I would think that if you take the money interest out and use the same criterion for each room ( they have a well researched disc which they (try to) play in every room, and you don't show personal favoritism (they don't as I have watched them struggle with that and they are very good at not crossing that line) then you have a fair though by it's nature opinionated report. also, to blow off venders who are rude or not accommodating is perfectly valid in my book. I don't sell to or do business with anyone who is rude to me and I would not expect them to.

on a side note I've really enjoyed the comments and attitude of Vapor! welcome to the wonderful world of audio biz and I really look forward to meeting you at the next show, beer is on me!  Yours was one room I wanted to hear but because of the two hotels it was impossible for me. 

last note, someone made a comment about listening to the mega-bucks high profile systems as that being a reference. personally I feel that is one of the problems with audio. For decades many audio designers have been doing just that, building systems to sound like other hi-fi systems. I feel that if you wanted a reference at the show all you had to do was go to the towers end and listen to a real grand piano and real violin. it does seem that many of the best designers have had real involvement in live music and THAT is their reference, not some highly rated mega-bucks system.  (ps no personal offense intended with this comment and of course there is the caveat that there are many ways to get there and there are systems which sound great and may not take the path I endorse)

see you all at the next show!

thanks,
Lou

[Bob in St. Louis]

So is it P&T, or T&P?

I've seen it both ways, and I'm just trying to be fair about it. 

Bob

[DaveC113]

So is it P&T, or T&P?

I've seen it both ways, and I'm just trying to be fair about it. 

Bob

I think we better go with T&P/P&T just to be fair. We wouldn't want anyone to think we were biased one way or the other.


Seriously, nobody can visit every room at rmaf, it's just not possible.

[persisting1]

If you have suggestions on how we can be more fair, I'm certainly open to hearing them.

You should both get seeing eye dogs and walk around the entire show blindfolded. The dogs can lead you to each room and since you can't see the vendor, you won't be biased. Problem solved   

[Bob in St. Louis]

Uhhh, Dave....You seem biased by saying "T&P/P&T" instead of "P&T/T&P".
You sure you don't have some sort of agenda?    I mean....let's be fair here.

I guess it's like my Dad said, "If you want something done right, do it yourself".
I suppose those bitchers will have to show the rest of us how and RMAF review should be done.

Cheers,
Bob

p.s. Oh, and don't forget the bunnies. 

[SteveFord]

I appreciate the coverage for the steady stream of audio porn.
Thank you for bringing three days worth of beautiful systems into my living room courtesy of my laptop.
I'm looking forward to next year's coverage.

[Vapor Audio]

on a side note I've really enjoyed the comments and attitude of Vapor! welcome to the wonderful world of audio biz and I really look forward to meeting you at the next show, beer is on me!  Yours was one room I wanted to hear but because of the two hotels it was impossible for me. 

Haha, you wouldn't like me ... I'm a jerk.  But I'd gladly drink your beer 

Seriously though, next show it's a date 

Oh, and btw I've been doing RMAF since 2008.  Thanks for finally noticing 

[Daedalus Audio]

Haha, you wouldn't like me ... I'm a jerk.  But I'd gladly drink your beer 

Seriously though, next show it's a date 

Oh, and btw I've been doing RMAF since 2008.  Thanks for finally noticing 

they don't let me out much

see you in Chicago, hope they have good beer there??

[Pete Schumacher]

Haha, you wouldn't like me ... I'm a jerk.  But I'd gladly drink your beer 

Seriously though, next show it's a date 

Oh, and btw I've been doing RMAF since 2008.  Thanks for finally noticing 

Not a jerk Ryan, a grade A tool!!!

 

[roscoeiii]

see you in Chicago, hope they have good beer there??

Um yeah, the beer here is fabulous.

[ebag4]

Um yeah, the beer here is fabulous.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, Three Floyds Zombie Dust!

[Danny Richie]

I agree.  Why can't the top press reviewers do a thorough job like this?  They are mostly after the hype, name-dropping and photos IMO.  Steven Stone is one of the few that actually brings his own reference tracks to the room, but nothing like what these guys use.

Steven Stone is definitely one of the better reviewers. He actually spends the time needed to really listen and evaluate with music that he really knows. All too often most of the general press just shoot pics and write down what was in the room without listening to anything.

Speaking of Steven Stone, looks like he also agreed with Tyson and Pez.

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/rmaf-2013-digital-products-show-report/

Scroll down to the section that starts with Best Sound (cost no object).   

[Tyson]

....so "fairness has nothing to do with it"?....so exactly what kind of light does that put your placing in the T/P Best of sweepstakes....because if I were ever to "win" something I would definitely like to have everyone see that "win" as fairly achieved....but then again that could just be a failing on my part...

Cheers

If you have suggestions on how we can be more fair, I'm certainly open to hearing them.

The silence, as they say, is deafening....

[jtwrace]

I'm pretty sure this is the thread that brought AC to a halt yesterday.   

[rollo]

We don't live life in a vacuum, & neither do reviewers covering RMAF. 

Do you honestly think Stereophile, Absolute Sound, etc. reviews every room at RMAF or any other show like this?  Do you think that they recognize smaller companies fairly at the expense of their PAID deeper pockets advertisers?

Maybe they should state "best in show of what we saw" ... would that be more politically correct ?

Great job Tyson & Pez. You guys are top notch & VERY entertaining.  Too bad some want to throw darts instead of taking what you say as YOUR opinions & your opinions ONLY ...

    The Absolute Sound choose the GR, TWL, PIAudio, DB Audio Labs best of show price no object. I do not believe any advertise in the Absolute Sound.
     For the cottage guys we have Pez and Tyson to report. They have good ears now their shit. Was lucky to meet them last year. I gained a respect for their ears and integrity. They are truly independent and honest.
      Shows IMO are for interest in hearing said component in your system. Pez and Tyson make that easy if not in attendance. Thanks MUCHO guys.  We need to get them to capitol Audiofest next year.


charles

[jhm731]

"I have nothing to write as no-one in this room seemed interested either in playing me music or giving me any information. "  - John Atkinson

http://www.stereophile.com/content/vapor-audio-bmc-hyatt

[Jon Liu]

Wow... I can't believe that happened!  I wonder what was going on...

[S Clark]

No one offered to buy an ad...  Some reviewers from mags have been known to hint that ads are available for sale as they do their listening. 

[jhm731]

No one offered to buy an ad...  Some reviewers from mags have been known to hint that ads are available for sale as they do their listening. 

Do you have any proof that John Atkinson did this when he was in the Vapor's room?