JVC RX-ES1sl

JLM · « **Reply #220 on:** 2 Sep 2004, 11:06 pm »

My guess is that JVC, at least upper management, is clueless about just how good these little guys are.

I can see it now, an underground shunk works lead by really weird scientists nerds, allowed to do as they wish as long as they don't "make trouble" and keep designing products that can be sold within a prescribed budget. But secretly their goal is to be the Robin Hoods of audio.

But it that's true, these receivers could be just a fluke and upper management is probably more likely to squash them when they do find out about them in fear of them hurting the sales of their "high-end" stuff.

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #221 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 02:47 am »

I've broken the 350 hour mark while on vacation. My house didn't burn down, which makes me a happy camper. I left the volume on level 1 and burned away on a fm station. Well, I've been listening to the stereo in the rental car for a long time and honestly don't remember how my system sounded before I left for vacation. What I do know is that it didn't sound bad back then and it certainly doesn't sound bad now. I also got Gary's pandafeet installed now. If I could remember which trumpet tracks bothered me before, I'd listen to them, but I can't. The trumpet that I'm hearing now doesn't sound too shabby. I also plugged the jvc directly into the wall. I think my belkin pureav strip is limiting macro dynamics but I'm not 100% sure. I think the rental car's stereo was more dynamic than my rig, but it did have at least 4 5"-6" cones pumping away compared to my two 5" midwoofs.

jswallac · « **Reply #222 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 03:33 am »

Lets see if I get this straight. The JVC systems have been called the equal of $20,000 tube amps. And now it is almost as good as a car stereo. Okay, if A>B, and B>C, then A must be greater than C. That must be some car stereo, since by simple algebra it is as good as a $20,000 tube amp! Guess I should sell my house system and maybe my house, and move into my car.

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #223 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 03:47 am »

...I don't find it hard to believe at all that any decent car stereo can be more dynamic than my 2 channel 5.25" woofer two ways. This is more of an indication of the performance of my speakers and interaction of the room than of the amp. Do we have a misunderstanding here?

jswallac · « **Reply #224 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 05:31 am »

No misunderstanding. Just testing my algebra. I suppose I left a few variables out of the equation.

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #225 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 05:59 am »

Just checking

The dynamics of that system did impress me, though I was wondering if it was actually bumping the volume up to create the dynamics. It was one of those types that dynamically control the volume to "maintain" a relative volume depending on the noise generated by the car or other variables.

AphileEarlyAdopter · « **Reply #226 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 05:44 pm »

Did you rent a car with one of those Mark Levinson systems or what ?

tvyankee · « **Reply #227 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 06:32 pm »

hey guys.

i know you talked about this a while ago but what optical cable did you guys say is a good deal.

i have a sattilite rec and a dvd player to hook up to the new jvc and need to get a optical cable.

help a brother out.

thanks.

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #228 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 06:40 pm »

Steve at Empirical Audio likes the one from Sound Professionals for $49.

I just bought the 'Glass Toslink' on Audiogon for $29.00...sounds right nice to me. I've not heard optical/toslink cable (fibre or all glass) before, so I can't compare.

However.....all of us come up with the same conclusion; the JVC RX Hybrid Digitals works best with your DVD/CD hooked up thru analog ins via plain old analog IC's. The digital inputs, whether coax or optical, are inferior to analog ins. I've now tried all the inputs extensively and can attest to it.

If you are hell bent on digital in's only, either coax or optical, go with the Panasonic or Sony Digital recievers.

Hope this helps, brother

tvyankee · « **Reply #229 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 06:50 pm »

now i am not bent on digital input but would like to use it for 5.1 once in while to watch a movie.

thanks for the info.

tubeytubeamp · « **Reply #230 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 06:51 pm »

I'm curious, in light of the whole DVD multi/DVD input revelation has anyone listened to the differences between Analog and digital inputs for the DVD/multi setting?

After listening to more cd's my take is that DVD multi is better, however, the dvd setting is a little more dynamic and some CD's benefit by whatever filtering is added.

I wish I never sold my Phase Tech's pictured below. I think they would have been an amazing match for the JVC. I might drag the JVC into my local Phase Tech dealer.

Dmason · « **Reply #231 on:** 3 Sep 2004, 10:25 pm »

TubeyTriode,

I have heard those particular Phase Tech speakers and thought they were really damn fine. My take is that Phase Tech is a totally underrated speaker company, most of the income comes from manufacturing for others, but their current stuff looks pretty sweet. Metal woofers and dome tweets is a nice combo... At any rate, I think metal drivers, woofers especially, are MADE for digital amps because the speed of the speakers, and the lightning like rise time of the amplifier. I keep a cheap hotrodded pair of 92db Axiom M40Ti's around to remind of this. Just really fast and react very well with the JVC. The first time I heard the RX-ES1 was with Monitor Audio Silver speakers and the quickness was immediately evident.

tubeytubeamp · « **Reply #232 on:** 4 Sep 2004, 02:55 am »

Dmason,

Those Phase Tech's are the 7.5vdt, the original 7T's were at one time refered to as the poor mans Vandersteen 1C's.

My JM Labs 706s are decent, but I definately think I'll be going back to Phase Tech pretty soon. Their older speaker lines were very dark sounding. The newer lines are much more open and detailed.

Phase tech is the one company I feel like I have any allegiance to and I almost feel guilty for buying something from another speaker company.

I will probably be selling the JM's and buying the Phase Tech Velocity V4's, V8's, or PC1.1II.

Anyway. I stopped into the dealer I bought the JM's from today and told the owner about the JVC, and how good it sounded with the JM's. If I have time I'm going to bring the JVC in for them to listen to.

Dennis

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #233 on:** 4 Sep 2004, 04:55 am »

Quote from: tvyankee

now i am not bent on digital input but would like to use it for 5.1 once in while to watch a movie.

thanks for the info.

tvyankee,

On the back of your DVD, nearly every one I am aware of made the last 3 years or so (my Pioneer 656 has them) will be 5 or 6 pair of outputs and a mono sub out. Just connect 5 pair analog IC's and a mono sub (if you have the RX-ES1sl) IC to the appropriate inputs on the JVC, dial in to 'DVD Multi', and you'll have 5.1 surround using the decoder inside the DVD Player.

Of course, you need to set the JVC up and establish that there are 5 speakers in use, and what room size you want - I believe. It'll be all there in the manual...I'm not a video maven

Your sub must have an internal crossover tho, as I beleive the sub crossover function is disabled within the JVC when using 'DVD Multi'.

This way you are bypassing any D to A conversion in the JVC, and allowing your DVD to perform those functions.

Ooala - 5.1 surround for movies

tubeytubeamp · « **Reply #234 on:** 4 Sep 2004, 08:01 pm »

Hello All;

I brought the JVC into the local high end dealer I mentioned yesterday. He hooked the JVC up to an Arcam CDP and Paradigm studio 40v2 speakers, with a Diana Krall CD. His instant reaction was "WOW", that sounds real nice. He was pretty shocked to say the least. He listened to about a third or half of the song, quickly jumped up and said thank you and turned it off, probably afraid that someone was going to walk in the store and ask "what is that".

Dennis

jkelly · « **Reply #235 on:** 5 Sep 2004, 03:09 am »

While trying to figure a way to get my bananas and spades connected to the back of the F10 I went ahead and tried the Home Depo extension cord speaker "special". Stripped the ends and pushed them in! You know, they sound real good. I have had them in for 3 days and still like them. They are slightly warm of center and have a pleasant top. Good detail. I am watching the bass which is a little mushy - hope that gets better as they break in. They are very directional - signal direction was opposite the label read on mine (writing would be backwards). Flat center sound one direction - 3D the other, Crazy. Bolder M-80's were in previous (brighter, more 3d).

Anyone try them with the F10?

Jeff

lonewolfny42 · « **Reply #236 on:** 5 Sep 2004, 03:30 am »

Quote from: jkelly

While trying to figure a way to get my bananas and spades connected to the back of the F10 I went ahead and tried the Home Depo extension cord speaker "special". Stripped the ends and pushed them in! You know, they sound real good. I have had them in for 3 days and still like them. They are slightly warm of center and have a pleasant top. Good detail. I am watching the bass which is a little mushy - hope that gets better as they break in. They are very directional - signal direction was opposite the la ...

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tubeytubeamp · « **Reply #237 on:** 5 Sep 2004, 01:44 pm »

I use these to adapt my Kimber banana plugs to pin for the JVC.

http://www.monstercable.com/productPage.asp?pin=1273

Dmason · « **Reply #238 on:** 6 Sep 2004, 02:04 am »

Okay, I took some time out today to swipe some of this new silver based contact flux from Mapleshade based on ChairGuys recommendation.

Speaker terminals, IC's, JVC internal fuse, which I also replaced with a ceramic fuse, even the AC cord plug prongs, right up to and including the power regenerator.

Result: A New system was in place.

This improvement was on the order of a major component upgrade, like a new, super DAC or something. You're right, amazing stuff, highly recommended.

This stuff is so good, I think it warrants being in place before making ANY evaluations on your stereo. Music is even more liquid, highs have greater transparency by a factor of 2. Bass seems tighter, abit faster all round.

Question: Anyone bi-amped their speakers with the JVC yet? Anyone tried tougher loads like Dyns, or such? I know Richard's walks right through it all with his Maggie 1.6, so I am assuming it could easily drive the daylights out of smaller Dyns...

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #239 on:** 6 Sep 2004, 05:25 am »

Quote from: Dmason

Okay, I took some time out today to swipe some of this new silver based contact flux from Mapleshade based on ChairGuys recommendation.

Speaker terminals, IC's, JVC internal fuse, which I also replaced with a ceramic fuse, even the AC cord plug prongs, right up to and including the power regenerator.

Result: A New system was in place. This improvement was on the order of a major component upgrade, like a new, super DAC or something. You're right, amazing stuff, highly recommended. This stuff is ...

Hey, don't forget to grease any harness & pins inside you can pull up...I found 3 or 4 (including the two that connects the cheesy 2 18ga zip cord to the board) that I was able to grease the pins. It only can help...

That grease is really good. I like that ceramic fuse idea.

And in the seemingly never ending debate whethere the Walker and Mapleshade stuff is better....I say they are the same. Walker builds in retail mark-up, where Mapleshade sells primarily consumer direct. They both are long time collaborators on the Omega Mikro series of cables. How much of a stretch is it to believe that those two itty bitty companies are using the same stuff? - they are just doing their best to keep it relatively uncertain.

'Nuff said