Discombobularity

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Mark Korda

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Discombobularity
« on: 13 Sep 2013, 12:32 am »
Hi, I used to subscribe to a audio mag called the Listener. It was about the early 2000's and there was an article by the late Harvey Rosenberg, who called himself Dr. Gizmo. It was called How to Build an Aurial Supercharger. Harvey was a tube nut and loved SE amps. He stated in the article if you used 2 different classes of amplifiers, like tubes and solid state to bi-amp that this would cause a certain distortion that you could not identify but would cause listeners fatigue he called (discombobularity). To over come this with bi-amping one must use the same class of amp for both amps. This makes me wonder if it is a waste of time to add a sub woofer to my Dyna tube amp, amps, with a class D amp which is affordable and puts out mega watts. I quess my question is are certain types of amps faster or slower, electron wise, and can the brain/ear combination depict this? I asked this question once to Art Dudley and he wrote me back quite a response, but I lost that e-mail when my computer bit the dust.........any ideas on this....thanks....Mark Korda.

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Re: Discombobularity
« Reply #1 on: 13 Sep 2013, 01:19 am »
This is something first time have heard of(discombobularity) ,two classes of amps can infact be identify by ear(tube, solid state) :thumb:

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Re: Discombobularity
« Reply #2 on: 13 Sep 2013, 01:24 am »
here's the definition of it... :oops:

discombobulation (plural discombobulations)
An embarrassing feeling that leaves a person confused.

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Re: Discombobularity
« Reply #3 on: 13 Sep 2013, 01:39 am »
For subwoofers a SS amp is definitely preferred. With the lower output impedance it can better handle the resonances of the big woofer and its box and reflex port. It can hit harder and will usually be more detailed. Also, SS watts are cheap and the tonality is not as important at low frequencies, so better to have the power where it is needed in the LFs. If you cross your sub below 100Hz between SS and tubes you won't notice any tonal differences. But the normal subwoofer integration issues (phase and level) will still require fine tuning by ear or measurement regardless of the type of amp.

Rosenberg was talking about biamping across the M>T crossover, and using the same kind of amps there is a good idea, because that frequency range is themost sensitive to our ears and we can hear every flaw there. We are most sensitive to discombobulation at 2-4kHz than any other freq band. At subwoofer crossover freq we are sensitive to phase misalignment, but that is not related to the amp type. The easiest way to get the same amp type across the crossover is vertical biamping, where you use the same stereo amplifier on mids and tweeters of the same speaker. By using the same amps you minimize the negative effects caused by tonal differences of the amps, phase differences, impedance issues, etc. At tweeter crossover freq he is definitely correct.
Rich