I beg your help: Weirdest problem between new CD-pre-cables

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Eduardo AAVM

I'll try to explain clerly and fast.

I bought a CD, a german designed and built one, Philips transport, Philips Opamps, Burr brown DAC, 20,000uf. It is on spikes with level adjusting.  BNC output. I use semibalanced cables with WBT-0150. The CD has a detachable power cord with 3 prong IEC but ends in european type of electrical plug (two round pins). Also there is a Panamax Max 5500. The digital BNC coax output is shorted with a 75 Ohms resistor. (for this purpose I have used the unit with and without this)

The story begins like this:

I plugged it on wednesday to my pre and played ok but the reading altough not erratic was slow...

Next day I tried to play it and no, not possible, it didn't recognized any disc, kept spinning and triying to read TOC (I guess), or in the end it showed NO DISC.

I cleaned the lens yesterday and nothing.

So today I unplugged the unit, place it in a table and inspected it inside, maybe something wrong, but no, altough I confirmed it is a beatifully made machine.

There, with the unit opened I saw with surprise and certain relief that the unit read flawlesly all the CD's everytime. I thought it was then just weird thing before. I closed the unit and placed it again in my system.

After that and expecting to finally hear it playing again, hell again no reading...

I compared what I did in my table versus what I did plugged in my system and I disconnected the IC cables from the pre, and then voila !!!! it was reading perfectly.

I asked myself how a shorted cable (I used these same cables with my former CD player without problem) can cause this kind of error...

Thinking it was a cable fault I replaced it with another, I checked both pairs with multimeter and no problem.... During this cable exchange, the CD was playing, I noted that a kind of jitter or "reading error noise" was overimposing to the audio signal, over the music. I turned off the pre and CD and it read. Mybe just a antenna effect not guilty for the malfunction I described.

I made some tests, but the problem arises from time to time, mainly I correct it turning off the pre and the CD player or disconnecting the cables from pre, start the CD and later plug the cables in.

I also noted that if I lock the barrel to the RCA jack then again noise and later reading errors (not starting up CD or NO DISC recognition) begin.


SO WHAT CAN IT BE ?

The only thing I suspect with my short understanding is maybe some kind of voltage or something is getting into CD from other part and causing errors ?

Maybe RFI but this unit is said to have a  RFI rejecting design in the PCB circuit lines.

Maybe it is because of the power cord ? ( a differential voltage) (The original 3 prong IEC to 2 round pins as opposed to the one I am using, 3 to three conductors line, neutral, ground.)

Impedances ?

I do not what the hell to think, this is not esoteric audio but "paranormal audio", the unit is lovely, my pre is flawless, it has worked with a large number of different players so...

Do you have an idea what can it be the cause for this mess ?

Help....

email me to eduardo@armonia-avm.com
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Eduardo AAVM

I beg your help: Weirdest problem between new CD-pre-cables
« Reply #1 on: 5 Jul 2004, 03:22 am »
Well I have found today that the Cd makes a scratchy noise mainly after the 45 or 50min track in the CD but after this then the unit starts to fail reading the CD's or the TOC's.

Any suggestion

Marbles

I beg your help: Weirdest problem between new CD-pre-cables
« Reply #2 on: 5 Jul 2004, 03:35 am »
Send it back to the person you bought it from, or take it to a repair place, would be my only suggestions, clearly something is wrong with it.

Eduardo AAVM

I beg your help: Weirdest problem between new CD-pre-cables
« Reply #3 on: 5 Jul 2004, 02:37 pm »
Yes something is wrong I'll check it and find out, anyway the moments I can hear the unit, it sound very nice to me.

It can be anything from a bad laser to a defective circuit, it is a little bit complicated, but I have total suport from the manufacturer.

Marbles

I beg your help: Weirdest problem between new CD-pre-cables
« Reply #4 on: 5 Jul 2004, 02:43 pm »
It almost sounds like the case or IC's are causing a short circuit.

That is going to be tough to track down.

Best of luck!.

Carlman

I beg your help: Weirdest problem between new CD-pre-cables
« Reply #5 on: 5 Jul 2004, 03:28 pm »
I'll go out on a limb and say the cable issues are all coincidental to the tracking problems.

This really sounds like a bad/dying transport to me.  I don't know if it's possible to 'align' or otherwise check the health of a transport but, if you could find a replacent transport assembly, it'd rule it out.

I had a Sony DVD player that had a fuse blow that caused a similar problem.  They had used too small of a value on one tiny fuse somewhere on the controller board.

For me this would be too frustrating to deal with.  I'd send it back, get my money back, throw it off a cliff, or do whatever makes you feel comfortable... :)

Best of luck,
Carl