[tomytoons]

 

[michael green MGA]

Hi Tomy

Thank you, that means a lot! I have been flooded with emails and calls today over this. Not your message but the thread. I really didn't know I was going to walk into this but as you have stated this site has really caused some bad Vibes out there. I guess I didn't know how bad till today.

You know what's funny though. For some reason through all of this people are doing the cable tweak of all things and have gotten a hold of me to know what cables to get to tune with? Of course I pointed them to my site and am hooking them up, but even with their thick cables the one guy got rid of his banana plugs and barely put the speaker cables back in and said this was one of the biggest changes to his system for a while. I had pretty much made up my mind to leave, but after people trying stuff I have this desire to at least encourage. Also 2 more people today from here are dumping their heavy room treatments and going simple.

Seeing people do these things far out weigh the negative here. Well maybe not far. So if John doesn't pull my plug I'm thinking of doing a list for those who just want to look at it and then probably not responding to the other stuff. I don't have to buy into the philosophy or unprofessionalism to help when I get a chance.

[Diamond Dog]

... but even with their thick cables the one guy got rid of his banana plugs and barely put the speaker cables back in and said this was one of the biggest changes to his system for a while.

Would the concensus out there be that this is really a good idea? Would the semi-secure connection not open the door to an even bigger potential change to your acolyte's system ?
D.D.

You know what...never mind. Just never mind. Sorry to fill the audio world with "bad vibes" as though I were some sort of loosened screw on a component.
At least HiFi SoundGuy knew the key to a good grift was to never lose your cool with the marks. Adios, muchachos !

D.D.

[michael green MGA]

basic steps to freeing a system

1) use 15 amp fuses not 20
2) loosen all the outlet plates in your audio room (plates that are on your audio system line)
3) loosen the screws on all components
4) take covers off the components
5) remove rubber feet from any component
6) use low mass IC and power cords
7) hard wire pass the AC connection on the back of components whenever posible
use as low of a gauge speaker cable as posible (I use 22 gauge)
9) loosen the screws where the RCA plugs are attached
10) take the barrels off of your RCA's
11) replace the cups on the back of your speakers when posible to a lighter weight one
12) place the speaker cables in without tightening them
13) loosen screws on drivers (just cracking them usually is enough)
14) remove heavy dampening products or drapes from the room
15) treat the upper corners of the room with barricade acoustical treatments
16) if you have a rack against the wall in front of you try pulling it out a little (usually in 8' tall rooms 16 to 18")
17) take grills off speakers
18) make sure speakers are not sitting on carpet
19) take out transformer locks when posible
20) remove any ties on any cables
21) try not to let cable touch each other inside the components
22) if your a tweak or have a technician remove your transformer away from circuit boards

I'll think of more but here's a start.

[JerryLove]

You got me. There's absolutely nothing I could say to add to the above post.

"loosen all the outlet plates in your audio room"

That one is gonna stay in my head a long time. Kudos.

[PRELUDE]

basic steps to freeing a system

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7LH__BPqSY
 

[Guy 13]

basic steps to freeing a system

1) use 15 amp fuses not 20
2) loosen all the outlet plates in your audio room (plates that are on your audio system line)
3) loosen the screws on all components
4) take covers off the components
5) remove rubber feet from any component
6) use low mass IC and power cords
7) hard wire pass the AC connection on the back of components whenever posible
use as low of a gauge speaker cable as posible (I use 22 gauge)
9) loosen the screws where the RCA plugs are attached
10) take the barrels off of your RCA's
11) replace the cups on the back of your speakers when posible to a lighter weight one
12) place the speaker cables in without tightening them
13) loosen screws on drivers (just cracking them usually is enough)
14) remove heavy dampening products or drapes from the room
15) treat the upper corners of the room with barricade acoustical treatments
16) if you have a rack against the wall in front of you try pulling it out a little (usually in 8' tall rooms 16 to 18")
17) take grills off speakers
18) make sure speakers are not sitting on carpet
19) take out transformer locks when posible
20) remove any ties on any cables
21) try not to let cable touch each other inside the components
22) if your a tweak or have a technician remove your transformer away from circuit boards

I'll think of more but here's a start.

Hi all Audio Circle members.

{{ Loosen all the outlet plates....}}

Are you serious ?

Ho yea, it's a joke ! Well it's too late, April fool is over...

Can someone explain to me the logic behind that ? ? ?

What does that have to do with getting improved/better sound ? ? ?

Can someone with a little or a lot of technical knowledge
explain to me, (Me the complete idiot, that has designed and built several industrial electic control panels the size of a car.)
What loosen up the plastic or metal outlet plates
as to do or how it can improve the sound ? ? ?

I need technical explanation and proof, right now
or I will shoot myself !

What does he think ?
That we, all Audio Circle members are bunch of idiots that can swalow such a goofy statement ?

Holly cow, holly macro, holly smoke and Oh my God !
Is this possible?
Someone pinch me, maybe I am dreaming...

Guy 13
AKA: The dreamer, but not now.

[Guy 13]

basic steps to freeing a system

1) use 15 amp fuses not 20
2) loosen all the outlet plates in your audio room (plates that are on your audio system line)
3) loosen the screws on all components
4) take covers off the components
5) remove rubber feet from any component
6) use low mass IC and power cords
7) hard wire pass the AC connection on the back of components whenever posible
use as low of a gauge speaker cable as posible (I use 22 gauge)
9) loosen the screws where the RCA plugs are attached
10) take the barrels off of your RCA's
11) replace the cups on the back of your speakers when posible to a lighter weight one
12) place the speaker cables in without tightening them
13) loosen screws on drivers (just cracking them usually is enough)
14) remove heavy dampening products or drapes from the room
15) treat the upper corners of the room with barricade acoustical treatments
16) if you have a rack against the wall in front of you try pulling it out a little (usually in 8' tall rooms 16 to 18")
17) take grills off speakers
18) make sure speakers are not sitting on carpet
19) take out transformer locks when posible
20) remove any ties on any cables
21) try not to let cable touch each other inside the components
22) if your a tweak or have a technician remove your transformer away from circuit boards

I'll think of more but here's a start.

Hi all Audio Circle members.

{{ Take the covers off all components }}

What ?
He did not read my previous post regarding the dangers of exposed parts with high voltage ?

It's like driving a car without a hood or with your doors open...

Guy 13
SAFETY, SAFETY AND MORE SAFETY.

[Guy 13]

basic steps to freeing a system

1) use 15 amp fuses not 20
2) loosen all the outlet plates in your audio room (plates that are on your audio system line)
3) loosen the screws on all components
4) take covers off the components
5) remove rubber feet from any component
6) use low mass IC and power cords
7) hard wire pass the AC connection on the back of components whenever posible
use as low of a gauge speaker cable as posible (I use 22 gauge)
9) loosen the screws where the RCA plugs are attached
10) take the barrels off of your RCA's
11) replace the cups on the back of your speakers when posible to a lighter weight one
12) place the speaker cables in without tightening them
13) loosen screws on drivers (just cracking them usually is enough)
14) remove heavy dampening products or drapes from the room
15) treat the upper corners of the room with barricade acoustical treatments
16) if you have a rack against the wall in front of you try pulling it out a little (usually in 8' tall rooms 16 to 18")
17) take grills off speakers
18) make sure speakers are not sitting on carpet
19) take out transformer locks when posible
20) remove any ties on any cables
21) try not to let cable touch each other inside the components
22) if your a tweak or have a technician remove your transformer away from circuit boards

I'll think of more but here's a start.

Hi all Audio Circle members.

{{ I'll think of more but here's a start. }}

I am sure you will think of more.
My God your are a professional at that !

I think you are somekind of mentalist,
by suggesting all those modifications,
you make/put the audiophiles or your customers
under hypnosis and they will think that there is a huge improvement.

Don't get me wrong,

I am not saying that some of your suggestions won't make improvement on the sound, they will, but some of your suggestions are to me, simply GOOFY !   

Guy 13
Sorry, I cannot keep my opinion to myself,
I have to share it with other Audio Circle members.

[srb]

Come on Guy 13, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel! 
 
I actually agree with 3 of the 22 basic steps.
 
Steve
 
 
 

[Guy 13]

Come on Guy 13, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel! 
 
I actually agree with 3 of the 22 basic steps.
 
Steve

Hi srb and all Audio Circle members.

If I don’t hold back myself and tell all of you how I really feel
about the 22 basic steps of Mister Audio God,
I will get into trouble and/or my post will end up in the galactic waste bin…
There are two things that really annoy me with Mr. Audio Know It All or Mister Believe what I say:

Something based on no scientific or logical basis (Outlet plates) and something that will endanger people (Open all covers).

Ho yea, there is a third thing that also bugs me with
Mr. Remove All or Mr. Unscrew Everything:
It always takes Mr. The Novel Writer forever to answer questions and/or to prove his sayings.

O.K. enough for now.
Please don’t provoque me
or I will write more of the not always nice stuff…

Guy 13   

[C17FXR]

Guy 13

Point well made, you don't like what you've read.

But yet you keep coming back for more whats up with that. 

Do you keep going back to restaurants that serve you bad food? 

I keep reading because I might find something that works for my system, but that doesn't mean I have to try everything.

But if it makes my system better then it was worth while............. and FREE.

And of course your going to criticize my posting to so go ahead.

By the way Have a Nice Day.



 

[Guy 13]

Guy 13

Point well made, you don't like what you've read.

But yet you keep coming back for more whats up with that. 

Do you keep going back to restaurants that serve you bad food? 

I keep reading because I might find something that works for my system, but that doesn't mean I have to try everything.

But if it makes my system better then it was worth while............. and FREE.

And of course your going to criticize my posting to so go ahead.

By the way Have a Nice Day.

Hi C17FXR and all Audio Circle members.
(What a strange name, if you don’t mind me asking,
what does it mean?)

I do exactly like you;
I keep reading
(And posting constructive criticism…)
so I can learn something.

You might not believe me,
but I might try one of Mr. Audio suggestion.

Which one, well, I won’t tell for now;
I want to try it first,
then I will comment it.
No, I won’t tell… Don’t insist.
No is no !

Me criticize your posting ! Never !
Your post is well written, polite, not insulting
and it’s quite nice posting, maybe some other Audio Circle members should follow your way.
Thanks.

Guy 13

[C17FXR]

Hi C17FXR and all Audio Circle members.
(What a strange name, if you don’t mind me asking,
what does it mean?)

Guy 13

The name is more of an acronym, (C-17 FiXeR), I'm a Tech Rep for the C17 Military Aircraft currently working with the Royal Canadian Air Force here in Canada.

Good to hear that your going to at least try, I like that part.

Hope you keep us posted on what actually works in your system, help spread the knowledge so to speak.

P.S. That's the C-17 in my avatar.





 

[Guy 13]

Guy 13

The name is more of an acronym, (C-17 FiXeR), I'm a Tech Rep for the C17 Military Aircraft currently working with the Royal Canadian Air Force here in Canada.

Good to hear that your going to at least try, I like that part.

Hope you keep us posted on what actually works in your system, help spread the knowledge so to speak.

P.S. That's the C-17 in my avatar.

Hi C17FXR and all Audio Circle members.

Maybe you did not know that,
but I am a French Canadian from Montreal, Quebec.
I have been living in Vietnam for the last 18 years,
but I desperately want to go back to my home country with civilized people... (LOL)
May I ask where is your base, somewhere in Ontario I presume?

Guy 13
P.S.
Of course I will share with all Audio Circle members my findings.

[C17FXR]

You are correct, Ontario region.

And now back to your regular scheduled programing.

Mr. Green Please keep the great suggestions and info coming.

Will be looking into your web site for more.

Have a good day.

[michael green MGA]

Hi Guys

You might also want to go to tuneland and the tuneland archives and view listeners that have gone from hard core audiophiles to Tunees. Also when loosening up things you will want to follow the break in timelines and what takes place during this time. As far as technical, based on the responses earlier up here I invite you to visit us. Posting them here is probably going to do what JohnR said not to do. Even though he has reservations himself I apperiate that he has kept this thread open, but made it clear that he doesn't want it derailed. It seems he has placed that responsibility on me some what and I believe the best way for me to do this is to simply not respond to some of the things being said. I admit it is hard to not get pulled into the heat but with the encouragement I have gotten inside and outside of your community and the picture they have painted of how things work here I think I can work inside of that framework, at least as long as I see some hope.

http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/t13-tuning-step-by-step

[michael green MGA]

Also want to add, when doing these very simple tweaks disconnect your line conditioners. Line conditioning defeats the purpose of going simple.

[rollo]

   A tough room indeed. Over the years we have tried and use several of Michael's suggestions without knowing he suggested them with VG results. Just try removing those covers. Another no brain-er are those barrels on the ICs. Then get those cables off the floor. If you can and are willing hard wire every component with your favorite cord. Hey remember Altman with no enclosures ? Just glued to a spruce board.
   One day I decided to tighten down all the screws in the Pipedreams holding the drivers in place. With 66 drivers it was a task. OK all tightened down  to the hilt and gave a listen. It was now brighter and thin sounding. The result puzzled me as to why. Did some research and found differing opinions on the subject. Got myself a torque wrench and loosened every screw and  re-tightened to 8lbs of torque after experimenting with different torque settings.
     There are several ways to skin the proverbial Cat. With open eyes one can experiment and learn. So instead of putting something down without trying one will never learn a thing. If you have the time and desire experiment and hear for yourself do so and report back. Have fun trying.


charles

[michael green MGA]

   A tough room indeed. Over the years we have tried and use several of Michael's suggestions without knowing he suggested them with VG results. Just try removing those covers. Another no brain-er are those barrels on the ICs. Then get those cables off the floor. If you can and are willing hard wire every component with your favorite cord. Hey remember Altman with no enclosures ? Just glued to a spruce board.
   One day I decided to tighten down all the screws in the Pipedreams holding the drivers in place. With 66 drivers it was a task. OK all tightened down  to the hilt and gave a listen. It was now brighter and thin sounding. The result puzzled me as to why. Did some research and found differing opinions on the subject. Got myself a torque wrench and loosened every screw and  re-tightened to 8lbs of torque after experimenting with different torque settings.
     There are several ways to skin the proverbial Cat. With open eyes one can experiment and learn. So instead of putting something down without trying one will never learn a thing. If you have the time and desire experiment and hear for yourself do so and report back. Have fun trying.


charles

Hi Charles, thanks for posting. It is indeed a tough crowd. Not sure why yet, but.

As a young engineer starting to do these things I can remember techs undoing what I did and telling me off until I told them I was doing this on purpose. Holy smokes you could see the smoke coming out of their ears. But at the end of the day when ever TBS got in new equipment it came to me for a little tweaking. At that time I had no idea I would be doing these things all over again. Honestly when I got in to High End Audio I figured all these guys already knew this stuff and went for a couple of years before I questioned it. I thought maybe they found an answer to putting a transformer close to Caps and R's and there was a reason for these huge chassis of thick metal. It wasn't until I went to the factories to see for myself that this was mostly cosmetic.