JVC RX-F10 (Tripath-based)

ABEX · « **Reply #200 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 03:39 am »

goskers
Go to the DIY.com or Madison BB and ask there as there are plenty of people using the DEXQ unit , I think, with the Panny units . Someone might answer here also.

http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/discuss.cgi?#251986

Good luck!

geofstro · « **Reply #201 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 12:11 pm »

ABEX,

Thanks again. I would prefer a 220 volt version though. Altough I could use a step-up transformer, I prefer to avoid it.

geoff

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #202 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 09:27 pm »

I just felt compelled to again write how much I like this little bugger.

Clearly, it doesn't do everything right, but it has a tone so easy to listen to it's really a revelation to me. It outclasses all the mundane amplification gear I've owned in my life......still looking forward to a comparo with DIYCable's Exodus (returning to me shortly after a small fix, or should I say glitch

)

The RX-ES1sl is absolutely intolerant of poorly recorded material...a mark of a good hi-fi product, no? It's immediately clear that Diana Krall's 'Girl in the Other Room' is leagues better recorded than Charlotte Church's 'Voice of an Angel' . Well, maybe I'm the last audiofool on earth to know this, but I sure do now.

I am always suspect of any component, by any manufacturer, that claims to make all recorded material enjoyable. ALL recorded material is NOT enjoyable...a lot of it sucks. The little overachieving JVC points out, abundantly and early, how lousy some material is.

Some have tried to pigeonhole the hybrid JVC as 'warm' an the all-digital Panny's to be 'accurate'...I really have no idea if that's true and it may be no more than a easy descriptor for those that have heard neither, or only one.

Whatever the description of the sound for the Panny, Sony, Sharp, Kenwood digital receivers out there is, if it's as enjoyable as the JVC it doesn't matter. It's damn good...and at $179, it's remarkably good.

I'm still so blown away by this thing and I do so dearly love remote volume and switching.

Again, your results may not be that of my own if you have different, more difficult load or inefficient spakers, or lacking a few of the half dozen tweeks I've done...but I really doubt, under any circumstances except it crapping out right out of the box, that you will ever think 'bad value' here. Nothing intenally has been done to mine yet...all the tweeks are outside the box. If you're handy with solder, or know someone that is, you may be more happy than even I am now with it's sound.

I really think that JVC is onto something with this hybrid idea...but not having heard the other fine digital receiver entrants in the game, I am merely speculating. The good doctor Dmason seems to agree, tho, has heard many more than I and, for that reason, I'll throw that statement out into the wild to chew on a bit.

ABEX · « **Reply #203 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 10:43 pm »

Add "TheChairGuy" to the list of users that say:

"They'll have to pry this Low Cost Digi Amp from my dead hands"

I and a few others are on that list also BTW!

RoadTripper · « **Reply #204 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 10:45 pm »

I know you have listed them but this thread is so long it takes forever to find the list. So, Chairguy, could you list your tweaks on this JVC one more time.

I have one (the ES1SL) coming sometime this week! Will be able to compare it to the Norh SE-9.

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #205 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 10:58 pm »

I'm getting closer and closer to tossing my tube pre down the rubbish chute and picking up the jvc! I'll have radio again too, dagnabit!

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #206 on:** 29 Jul 2004, 10:18 am »

Is that digital eq in the f10 worth anything?

gary · « **Reply #207 on:** 29 Jul 2004, 11:12 am »

Quote from: ooheadsoo

Is that digital eq in the f10 worth anything?

For music I only use analog input with DVD/Multi, so you the DSP is bypassed and the EQ cannot be used. It's probably nice with movies though, where I'll be using the regular digital input. Once my InFocus 4805 gets here next week and I set up the surround system I'll check out the EQ and post some comments on it.

Gary

Ears · « **Reply #208 on:** 29 Jul 2004, 06:14 pm »

Quote from: gary

Quote from: ooheadsoo
Is that digital eq in the f10 worth anything?

For music I only use analog input with DVD/Multi, so you the DSP is bypassed and the EQ cannot be used. It's probably nice with movies though, where I'll be using the regular digital input. Once my InFocus 4805 gets here next week and I set up the surround system I'll check out the EQ and post some comments on it.

Gary

I just upgraded my x1 pj to a 4805 and could not be happier...at leat until blue ray arrives

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #209 on:** 29 Jul 2004, 06:31 pm »

Cool, that would be something if it were in some way comparable to the behringer deq2496.

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #210 on:** 29 Jul 2004, 06:37 pm »

It's a toss-up for me on the ES1 whether to use DVD or DVD-Multi...I'm not sure which one I prefer just yet. Both are fine to my ears, juust a bit differnt.

But, I only have CDP (and bulit-in tuner) as source....no vinyl in my system.

gary · « **Reply #211 on:** 29 Jul 2004, 06:39 pm »

Quote from: Ears

I just upgraded my x1 pj to a 4805 and could not be happier...at leat until blue ray arrives

That's good to hear. I wouldn't have even considered buying one, but my brother works for TI and he got me a nice discount... made it a much easier upgrade.

From what I can tell DVD's are going to look awesome, my big concern is HDTV. I'm sure it'll never touch my current tv, a 36" direct view CRT, but I hope that it's 'good enough'. It should be, especially since my TV is 4:3 and the left side of the image is chopped off. And what it gives up in terms of resolution would be offset by the gain in size.

Gary

dllawson · « **Reply #212 on:** 4 Aug 2004, 10:02 pm »

Has anyone verified the quality of component video switching? I know it's not the main focus of this forum, but there is a lot of owners over here. I'm interested in the JVC, Kenwood, and new Panasonic models, but curious if any switch video without degradation of a High Def signal. Thanks.

Dmason · « **Reply #213 on:** 5 Aug 2004, 12:38 am »

What's that?

Jack Gilvey · « **Reply #214 on:** 5 Aug 2004, 04:39 am »

Quote

From what I can tell DVD's are going to look awesome, my big concern is HDTV. I'm sure it'll never touch my current tv, a 36" direct view CRT...

Don't be too "sure" about that, the 4805 is good enough to easily demonstrate the difference between DVD and HD...despite the "low" resolution. Color resolution is far superior with HD vs. DVD...and color/contrast is the 4805's strong point.

kendrid · « **Reply #215 on:** 23 Aug 2004, 02:45 pm »

J&R now has the F10 for 269.88 with free shipping. I purchased mine from them just over a week ago. Time to call and get my $30 back. I assume they have the same policy as local B&M stores where if the price drops within 30 days they will give you the difference.

re component video switching: I am using the component switching with my HD receiver and HTPC and I notice no difference in the picture quality.

My biggest complaint of the unit so far is how hot the unit runs. It gets so hot that I could literally burn myself on it. I have it in a cabinet with no back and two PC fans blowing on it. My NAD T753 in the same cabinet gets warm but not as hot as the JVC. I have not noticed an internal fan coming on so there is a chance the internal fan is dead. I haven't had a chance to look into it yet.

My JVC is powering Onix Reference Ones with a UFW-10 sub.

The sound quality of this thing is amazing. I probably only have around 80 hours on it but it does sound good. It could easily replace my NAD which retails for $1000. There was some slight harshness on the top end but lately I have not noticed it. The midrange is very smooth and the bass is impressive. I wish I still had my Cayin tube amp to compare this to.

Setup wise it is also impressive. For being a $300 MSRP receiver it has fairly advanced setup features compare to other units in this price range. I really like the fact that it keeps channel level settings for each input. I usually run my sub hot for TV watching but flat for music. The receiver can do this without me having to mess with settings.

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #216 on:** 23 Aug 2004, 05:31 pm »

Another convert...welcome to the now-believing fold, Kendrid

The highs smooth out on up to hour 300. It just leeps getting better until then.

The only thing variable about any of our experiences is the heat/fan issue. On sound quality, and pattern of break-in process, it seems all are pretty much in agreement. This thing rocks

If you're like some of us, you will be comparing it to far more meaty game than even your $1000 NAD soon enough....

I just saw the $269 J & R price, with free shipping, last night. Good deal!

aamsel · « **Reply #217 on:** 11 Sep 2004, 04:08 am »

I just purchased an RX-F10S and am unable to get hardly any audio from it with this receiver. I noticed that there was not a phono input, but have read some of you describing DVD/Multi and turntables.
If a turntable can work with this receiver, please describe for me how to make it work.

Do I need to purchase a phono pre-amp??
If so, which one??

Thanks a lot!!!!

Andrew
Austin, TX

jswallac · « **Reply #218 on:** 11 Sep 2004, 04:33 am »

The JVC is only a line level preamp, it does not have a phono stage. Therefore you will need to add a phono preamp between your turntable and the JVC. What kind depends on your cartridge. There are two types, MM (moving magnet) are more common, and MC (moving coil). The MC cartridge will need a phono amp with more gain. Many preamps can be adjusted to work with either type of cartridge.

aamsel · « **Reply #219 on:** 11 Sep 2004, 04:35 am »

thanks a lot.

Andrew