JVC RX-F10 (Tripath-based)

kfonda · « **Reply #180 on:** 25 Jul 2004, 09:37 pm »

Just wanted to let everybody know the RX-F10 is available for $259.95 at the following vendor:

http://www.savinglots.com/lotprod.asp?item=RXF10S

Don't know for how long though and I am not affiliated in any way with them--just thought I'd post the info

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #181 on:** 25 Jul 2004, 09:50 pm »

A pic of the back of the RX-ES1sl. It's the best I could do....photo flash really made it worse; it works better slightly darker midday without flash, as here.

Anyhow, this should help a few of you with decisions.....

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #182 on:** 25 Jul 2004, 10:34 pm »

Thanks chair guy! Um, do you think there's anyway to make the text legible? I don't mean to knock on your pic

I'm looking for if there are pre outs, main ins, that sort of thing. Much appreciated.

Edit: Ok, I'm guessing that there aren't. Am I right? This may take less effort than reshooting the pic

kfonda · « **Reply #183 on:** 25 Jul 2004, 11:48 pm »

No pre-outs on the ES1--just DVD multi inputs--sorry.

ABEX · « **Reply #184 on:** 25 Jul 2004, 11:53 pm »

I'll bet they use the same vendor as Panny for their back panels!

brj · « **Reply #185 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 12:10 am »

ooheadsoo, would the manual help?

RX-ES1SL Instruction Manual

ooheadsoo · « **Reply #186 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 01:16 am »

Thanks.

thuway · « **Reply #187 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 03:51 pm »

Well,

These recievers sound great! Especially for me,

If one of you guys who have modded these digi's wanna sell em for a fair price, to a poor kid, or maybe give them away

, I would REALLY like it!

BTW- what do you guys think of the Ice amps?

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #188 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 04:04 pm »

thuway,

The JVC's aren't perfect outa' the box, nearly very good; better for the money than we have expected to find. We're all trying to figure out how much they can improve modded.

Mine is still bone stock, but lots of 'outside-the-box- tweeks' have been doen to it. It has responded favorably to many of them. Seems the easiest 'surgical' procedure, and very cost effective, is changing out the stock power cord. After this, it starts getting more pricey to mod.

Dmason has heard most of the digital's out there, and luvs his JVC. He also soldered his speaker cable straight in to the JVC...very cost effective, also.

I heard the ICE amp (Acoustic Reality stereo unit) at CES this year in the Speaker Art room. I don't know if I was hearing the speakers or amp, but it was pleasant to listen to. Engaging midrange, solid taut bass, limited treble with less extension that the best ss amps. This is what I consistently hear about digital amps...something the JVC pretty much sails thru with hybrid technology.

Again, not perfect by any means, but it JVC seems to have bridged a nice compromise between ss and digital technologies. Especially, at a very favorable cost with high feature content.

geofstro · « **Reply #189 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 05:01 pm »

I've been reading this thread with a lot of interest.

It seems to me that the analog stages on either of these two JVC units are their strong point; but perhaps they don't fare so well on their digital inputs?

I can understand why chairguy would have a preference for the analog input given the source he's feeding into it. I also read here that the digital input cannot accept an upsampled 192khz signal, whereas the pannys can.

Does anyone know what exactly the limitations are for the digital inputs?

For example can it accept a 96khz input or is it limited to 44.1 which chairguy was feeding it when he tried the digital input?

I also read here, or somewhere, recently that the analog input of the Pannys doesn't sound so good, and the digital input is definitely preferred.

If this is true my choice will partly come down to whether I would make more use of analog or digital inputs. On top of that, of course, there are the musicality versus accuracy issues.

I have SACD and Vinyl as my highest rez formats which I'm forced to use an analog input for, so for these formats I'd probably be better off with the JVC. Then again, I listen mostly to CD and I like the idea of keeping the signal purely digital all the way.

Difficult choice!

geoff

Ears · « **Reply #190 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 05:21 pm »

Quote from: geofstro

I've been reading this thread with a lot of interest.

It seems to me that the analog stages on either of these two JVC units are their strong point; but perhaps they don't fare so well on their digital inputs?

I can understand why chairguy would have a preference for the analog input given the source he's feeding into it. I also read here that the digital input cannot accept an upsampled 192khz signal, whereas the pannys can.

Does anyone know what exactly the limitations are for the digital inputs? ...

My f-10 will not except any digital upsampled signal at any hz through the digital input.
It of course will except the upsampled signal when fed an analog signal.

The newer Panys are said to do analog better than the 45,25 ect
The difference between the digital and analog inputs on the f-10 is noticible when using my modified 963sa for cd, in favor of the analog, but whith the Pany, it is direct digital, it is a powered dac so to speak and skips your players dac.

So it still comes down to whether you like precise accurate sound or tubey sound.
The JVC does sa-cd better but stll, it is not as good as my Sim Audio i-5 or any other decent gear I have heard at this point, but this may change whith more cooking I suppose..

I might keep both for now myself, but am currently searching for another used 45 so I can bi amp for 2 channel or H/T on all six speakers and use one remote.

geofstro · « **Reply #191 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 06:30 pm »

Ears,

That's useful, thanks. I may hold out for the XR70 to get improved analog performance.

I do use tube amps, including a Fi X SET; but my main reason for using them has been to get a "natural" sounding midrange, which to my ears is more accurate than most SS designs. I don't like rolled off highs or loose bass, which is traditionally associated with tubes.

I have limited experience of digital amps (just trying the Powerwave at the moment); but my understanding is that they all tend to share the natural midrange that has always been associated with good tube amps, especially SET's. That seems to be borne out by my experience with the Powerwave so far.

I must admit I'm surprised that the digital input of the JVC is so limited, since it is a digital amp. Usually the A to D conversion in such a cheap receiver is where you'd expect to encounter limitations I would have thought.

geoff

AphileEarlyAdopter · « **Reply #192 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 08:28 pm »

Geof,
The new XR50 seems pretty good in analog mode as well. Note, I am listening to vinyl and SACD through analog inputs. The dynamics is much better than my previous Audio Refinement Complete, which did not delineate the differences between CD and SACD that much.
Everything depends on the speakers you will be using. The Panasonic cannot drive certain difficult loads. Also, the midrange seems to be a little recessed at or above -40db (-80db being no volume). ( I have very efficient speakers). This volume level related resolution should not be a issue at all in XR70. This is not a problem with analog inputs as I have the attenuation on and so will be playing in the 20s,30s. Also, not a problem with audiophile CDs and classical recordings for which I have to turn up the volume for normal listening levels.

geofstro · « **Reply #193 on:** 26 Jul 2004, 08:55 pm »

That's encouraging. I'm going to be using VERY efficient speakers with one of these receivers. Don't have the sensitivity rating to hand; but they're horn shoppe horns and can be driven to high levels with a 3 watt amp, such as the Fi X.

My main concern is that these receivers will put out far too much power and I'll really have to back off on the volume control with these. My horns can take it, I think; but I'm concerned about noise and/or lack of resolution.

I do want to experiment with at least one of these, though to see what they're capable of.

I also have ProAcs, which are probably a better match.

geoff

AphileEarlyAdopter · « **Reply #194 on:** 27 Jul 2004, 01:33 am »

Geoff,
The 'recessed midrange' I reported is only a very subjective and cursory opinion, based on a short experiment over the weekend. It is quite possible you will not notice it, especially with horns.
Looks like you spend a lot of money on audio equipment anyways

Why not try the XR50 at $250 ? Should be a pittance for somebody in Monaco

geofstro · « **Reply #195 on:** 27 Jul 2004, 09:26 am »

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Looks like you spend a lot of money on audio equipment anyways Why not try the XR50 at $250 ? Should be a pittance for somebody in Monaco

There are some rich people here; but unfortunately I'm not one of them. I only work for them

Which is why I'm always on the look out for good value gear like the Horns and the Fi amps. I definitely want to try out one of these receivers; but unfortunately even they are not so cheap over here as in the US. The cheapest I could find the XR50 for was €470 which is $572.

These machines are only a pittance for you guys.

geoff

goskers · « **Reply #196 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 01:55 am »

Would any of these amps be able to used as an amplifier for a 3-way active system? Do these have the input capability that would be needed to use in that way or is the Sharp unit the way to go?

I would hate to spend 1K plus on a solid state multi channel amp if I could find a pretty good digital receiver to work it's magic.

Thanks

mcgsxr · « **Reply #197 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 02:20 am »

I have a pair of Teac Tripaths, they could drive a pair of active 3 ways - but my amps have only 30wpc.

The Panny or the JVC, when set in "party" or "all channel stereo with 0 delay" should also be able to do it, and likely more conveniently for you, unless you already have a preamp that you like...

Mark

goskers · « **Reply #198 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 02:35 am »

Do these amps/receivers have enough inputs to be used after a digtal xo/room correction system?

I would have to have six inputs total which would come out of the DEQX and then into the amp/receiver. It would be nice to be able to use the receiver as this would give me a remote volume control as well.

Thanks,

wasser

ABEX · « **Reply #199 on:** 28 Jul 2004, 03:35 am »

geofstro
Being from Monaco is much like some of the impressions people have of people from the US. Wish we could all be rich. If only Money was dirt!

If you have a friend in the US have them send you a unit and mark it "Damaged Receiver-Return" to get by customs easier.
Just my thoughts.

Good luck!