[Tympani]

...And by the way Mr.Tanner when someone pays you a friendly compliment at least have the manners to acknowledge it ,,,,However this wasn't the first time on Brystons threads ,...so long to you ,.

I often have felt the same way in these forums. My observations that "tweaking", be it fuses, AC cords, footers, USB cables etc. can have such a profound impact on these components is a testament to the inherent transparency and musicality of my Bryston digital gear, and I consistently make that point. But such conversations are often quashed by cynical comments implying snake oil marketing and placebo effects. I understand that there will always be debate on the merits of tweaking, but to have company representatives join in the cynicism seems a bit short-sighted.

[CanadianMaestro]

I often have felt the same way in these forums. My observations that "tweaking", be it fuses, AC cords, footers, USB cables etc. can have such a profound impact on these components is a testament to the inherent transparency and musicality of my Bryston digital gear, and I consistently make that point. But such conversations are often quashed by cynical comments implying snake oil marketing and placebo effects. I understand that there will always be debate on the merits of tweaking, but to have company representatives join in the cynicism seems a bit short-sighted.

I think it's healthy to be cautiously skeptical about some aspects of audio performance and tweaking. Green pens for CD discs, cable lifters that cost hundreds, etc. Not necessarily cynicism. I also think that if the user hears a positive benefit in his system, then all's good. It's a human pursuit, and as such, it is susceptible to human foibles. But there's nothing wrong with that. Music enjoyment is entirely subjective and so is gear acquisition.

[James Tanner]

I often have felt the same way in these forums. My observations that "tweaking", be it fuses, AC cords, footers, USB cables etc. can have such a profound impact on these components is a testament to the inherent transparency and musicality of my Bryston digital gear, and I consistently make that point. But such conversations are often quashed by cynical comments implying snake oil marketing and placebo effects. I understand that there will always be debate on the merits of tweaking, but to have company representatives join in the cynicism seems a bit short-sighted.

Hi

If you mean cartoons and and sly remarks from me I guess I am guilty of that and if it offended anyone my apology.  I have always approached this hobby with an open mind and still do but many years of experience and undergoing blind listening tests has taught me to be skeptical because so many of these observations are affected by personal bias, and placebo affects if not outright commercial gain. I agree though to be dismissive or outright rude is not the correct approach but some humor on both sides I see as a welcome addition to the discussion.

I have no issue if our customers feel a specific product enhances there listening pleasure and I would be the last one to criticize their opinion but I do question some of the enhancements that promote pseudoscience and in my opinion makes our hobby questionable in the eyes of normal reason.

I have been warned by other manufactures to remain out of these forums and if our customers prefer I will refrain from offering my thoughts on these types of discussions.

james

[Pundamilia]

James

I think this is a "tempest in a teapot". While I (and no doubt others) appreciate your offer, I on behalf of the others would prefer to decline your offer and have you continue to "speak" what you believe. The so-called "compliment" was pretty obscurely worded and I had to go back in the thread to try to find the "compliment". Even after re-reading it, it was not so obvious to me that it was meant to be a compliment. So I wouldn't flagellate yourself and punish other participants for not picking up on it.

Stay the course! 

[Krutsch]

James

...

Stay the course! 

+1

[Tezza009]

+ 2

The input from you James and from your colleagues adds so much to this forum

[Rod_S]

+3

If my comments trying to give a perspective from the "other side" are causing issues I apologize. I wasn't attacking Bryston or James simply trying to turn the focus from not being just a cable debate to being one that is also well discussed within the electronics side of things as well which Bryston is firmly planted.

I for one love my Bryston gear, I probably have more than most and have no plans to stop adding more and for the record I'm a person who hears differences in cables. Most of the time it's subtle but every once in a while it's dramatic.

When comparing a Kimber Kable Monacle XL to my Ixos speaker cables a few years back the difference was dramatic, much more than comparing my SST's to my SST2's when I later purchased SST2's. The amp difference was subtle at best if not non existent but the cable swap was like changing speakers.

[CanadianMaestro]

+10.

3 cables made a big improvement in transparency and clarity in my Bryston system:

Cardas Clear Beyond power x 2 (5.5-AWG net) on my 14B-SST2 and my Triton-to-wall connection.
Cardas Clear speaker cable

[unincognito]

I think we are a bit off topic guys, perhaps you should consider starting a power cables topic

[MttBsh]

I think we are a bit off topic guys, perhaps you should consider starting a power cables topic

After 82 pages I'm wondering... what exactly is the topic?

[unincognito]

After 82 pages I'm wondering... what exactly is the topic?

BDP-2 related things, I thought with a page about audiophile power cables that it should perhaps have its own topic.

[CanadianMaestro]

Sorry, back on track.

Can anybody confirm diffs in SQ between BDP-1 and -2? Thru BDA-2, apparently.
TAS claims the BDP-2 has better bass and timbre.

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bdp-2-digital-player/?page=2

[James Tanner]

James

All is well in the land of 10,000 lakes. 

My evolution that got me to this point was first the Oppo 105D connected directly to my SP3 via the balanced outs.  I wanted more so I upgraded to the BDA-3. I honestly bought the BDP-2 to simply solve handshake issue I experienced with Oppo and wasn’t expecting there would be a significant differenence in sound.  Holy sh*t was I wrong.

The BDP-2/BDA-3 combo is absolutely amazing. 

The depth of sound and the clarity is remarkable.  When I bought my Kef Reference 5 I thought I heard details I had never heard in my favorite songs but I’ve spent the last 3 hours listening to those songs again and this combo showed me another layer I’d never heard before.  I hooked up the BDP-2 via an AudioQuest Coffee USB to the BDA 3, connected my NAS and was off to the races.  I thought I’d miss the interface of the Oppo but the Bryston Manic Moose web & i-device connections are seamless and actually better. 

Thank you for engaging me in my mad dash.  I’m happier than I’ve ever been.  Damn you guys know how to make a gear!

Kyle D. Jemtrud
President

[tie_breaker]

Nice feedback on bdp-2/bda-3 combo.  I have mine connected via aes/ebu and like Kyle I tried connecting via USB using the same AudioQuest Coffee cable. I find that the aes/ebu produces superior sound. If Kyle gives it a try I am sure he will be even happier.

[MoPac]

Chris:       ( S2.28 2016-06-28 )

 Borrowed an Ayre Codex DAC from the local shop.  Connected it with USB.  It shows in the "Audio Devices" screen as "Ayre USB Interface".  It is DSD capable so the I checked the box and the device shows in blue.   

 Now the BDP refuses to play tracks.  They show on the front display but when play is activated nothing happens. 

 Tried disconnecting then reconnecting the USB...Nothing.  Tried unplugging then a reboot...Nothing.

 When I connect the BDP-2 back up to my PS Audio PWD-II the BDP plays fine. 

  Any ideas?

  MPD Log ( but probably after hooking up the PS Audio DAC ??? )

Oct 02 00:11 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 00:11 : client:

• opened from 127.0.0.1:55494

Oct 02 00:11 : client: [1] opened from 127.0.0.1:55495
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [1] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [2] opened from 127.0.0.1:55496
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [2] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [3] opened from 127.0.0.1:55497
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [3] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 00:13 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Oct 02 00:13 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 00:14 : player: played "BDP_512/Jazz/Tomasz Stanko/Lontano/01 Lontano I.wav"

    Thanks. Rich

[unincognito]

Chris:       ( S2.28 2016-06-28 )

 Borrowed an Ayre Codex DAC from the local shop.  Connected it with USB.  It shows in the "Audio Devices" screen as "Ayre USB Interface".  It is DSD capable so the I checked the box and the device shows in blue.   

 Now the BDP refuses to play tracks.  They show on the front display but when play is activated nothing happens. 

 Tried disconnecting then reconnecting the USB...Nothing.  Tried unplugging then a reboot...Nothing.

 When I connect the BDP-2 back up to my PS Audio PWD-II the BDP plays fine. 

  Any ideas?

  MPD Log ( but probably after hooking up the PS Audio DAC ??? )

Oct 02 00:11 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 00:11 : client:

• opened from 127.0.0.1:55494

Oct 02 00:11 : client: [1] opened from 127.0.0.1:55495
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [1] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [2] opened from 127.0.0.1:55496
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [2] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [3] opened from 127.0.0.1:55497
Oct 02 00:11 : client: [3] closed
Oct 02 00:11 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 00:13 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Oct 02 00:13 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 00:14 : player: played "BDP_512/Jazz/Tomasz Stanko/Lontano/01 Lontano I.wav"

    Thanks. Rich

Are both the Ayre's and USB drive both plugged into either the front or rear USB ports?

[MoPac]

Chris:
 The Ayre and one drive are both plugged into the rear USB ports.  This was also the case with the PS Audio DAC and that setup has no issues.
 Plugged the Codex back in and here is the MPD Log.

Oct 02 03:51 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [X] opened from 127.0.0.1:40494
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [X] closed
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [1] opened from 127.0.0.1:40495
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [1] closed
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [2] opened from 127.0.0.1:40496
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [2] closed
Oct 02 03:51 : client: [3] opened from 127.0.0.1:40497
Oct 02 03:51 : avahi: Failed to create client: Daemon not running
Oct 02 03:52 : alsa_output: Failed to open "Ayre USB Interface-10" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:1,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Input/output error
Oct 02 03:52 : output: Failed to open audio output
Oct 02 03:52 : player: problems opening audio device while playing "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 03:52 : alsa_output: Failed to open "Ayre USB Interface-10" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:1,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Input/output error
Oct 02 03:52 : output: Failed to open audio output
Oct 02 03:53 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 03:53 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Oct 02 03:53 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 03:53 : avahi: Service 'BDP' successfully established.
Oct 02 03:54 : alsa_output: Failed to open "Ayre USB Interface-10" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:1,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Input/output error
Oct 02 03:54 : output: Failed to open audio output
Oct 02 03:54 : player: played "BDP1024/Transitions/00 44 Transition.wav"
Oct 02 03:54 : alsa_output: Failed to open "Ayre USB Interface-10" [alsa]: Error opening ALSA device "plughw:1,0" (snd_pcm_hw_params): Input/output error
Oct 02 03:54 : output: Failed to open audio output
Oct 02 03:54 : player: problems opening audio device while playing "BDP_512/Jazz/Tomasz Stanko/Lontano/01 Lontano I.wav"

 Where it says it played the "00 44Transition" track it did not.  The progress bar never moved.

 The [X] on the second and third line is actually supposed to be 0 but it did weird things to the post.  Guess brackets with a 0 inside are bullets.??

  Thanks. Rich

[unincognito]

 The Ayre and one drive are both plugged into the rear USB ports. 

There's your problem, can't do that with Ayre products, something to do with how there USB dac works

[MoPac]

Chris:
 Tried using the unoccupied front USB ports for the Ayre Codex.  Same result.  Tracks do not play.  Maybe the front USB ports are low on power.  If low power is the issue the front ports would probably not serve the external drive that is now connected to a rear port ( SSD 500 GB in a bus powered enclosure ).

 Guess I don't need air any more...OOPS.  I mean Ayre anymore!!  It did sound good using a Squeezebox Duet via toslink; Very musical.

 Have to return it today so no more tests like pulling the external drive and trying the Codex alone in the rear ports.  Even if the SSD external could work on the front ports don't really want cables hanging out the front.

  Thanks for your prompt responses.  Rich

[davidtgoh]

Hi Chris,
I emailed you on this last week - I received my BDP-2 back from Bryston's repair.  The Error 9 issue is resolved.  However, the "pop" between DSD tracks is back, something that you resolved for me by updating through service mode a few months ago.  My BDP-2 is in service mode as I leave for work - is there any chance you can take a look and update as needed?
Thanks so much!
David