[twitch54]

hey, Dyna!

two thumbs up for your last comment

al.

I agree, Dyna hit the nail on the head !!

[FullRangeMan]

I agree, Dyna hit the nail on the head !!

If I remenber well CD and various digital recording formats are created to get rid from the analogue noise omnipresent in playback.
Not to mention the vinyl wear...

[vegasdave]

Vinyl is king to me. It sounds better to me, and I prefer the aesthetics. I don't like what digital brings to the table. It doesn't sound realistic to me. Now with that outta the way, there's a whole vinyl community online (hundreds of videos on you tube-type in "vinyl community" in the search engine there) as well as offline. Literally thousands of collectors and audiophiles alike. And it is thriving. The stores do not lie, vinyl sales are way up, cd is what's dying.

All hail the vinyl community! and long live ANALOG!

[cheap-Jack]

Hi.

I don't like what digital brings to the table. It doesn't sound realistic to me.All hail the vinyl community! and long live ANALOG!

Yes, 100% agreed. My many hundreds of stereo vinly records played via 100& tube gear can back  this up.

BUT, but the Blu-ray lossless digital UNcompressed transfer technology, providing way way beyond 24bit-192KHz DVD-audio stereo media in HD digital discs are now available in the marketplace. Digital sound should sound much much better, closest to the orginal digtial master sound tracks.

With years listening to DVD-audio discs experience which proves to me analogue media, e.g. vinly & tape, still sound superior to any available digital media, I have gone further by picking up a Blu-ray (HDMI) to stereo analolgue converter from an OEM just yesterday en-route my overseas trip. I'll audition Blu-ray musical discs thru this new Blu-ray-to-stereo analogue converter after I return home early next month.

I'll then know this latest lossless soundtrack digital transfer technology can beat vinyl/tape SONICALLY media or not.
Keep posting.

c-J

[FullRangeMan]

If allow me this confession, I envy you guys vinyl lovers, you looks happy with the LP sound, and seems to be immune to the tracks hiss.
The wear then gives me a feeling of terrible loss, I yet love the big LP cover.

Yesterday I go to downtown, and see various used discs shops plenty of used vinyl at incredible prices, some so low as 2 dollars and no one buy them, because there is no people interested, teenagers refuse to pay for music and download from web for free or copy from CDs...
So I thought, too bad I do not like it, it would spare me much money...
Regards

[Stu Pitt]

Simple answer to the original question:  Vinyl will be pressed as long as there's market for it.  So long as people are willing to pay for it, someone will manufacture and sell it.

Vinyl's got something going for it that no other format can truly compete with - collectibility.  Not everyone who buys vinyl has a turntable.  Hot Topic had a bunch of vinyl, and still has some.  Shooting the breeze with a few employees at different stores, they told me about half of the people buying vinyl actually played it.  I actually thought the number would be lower, as Hot Topic isn't exactly an audiophile store.

I know a few people who buy vinyl just to collect it.  They don't have turntables, but they buy stuff from their favorite bands and keep it sealed up.  A lot of bands issue a limited edition vinyl version of their stuff, old and new.  They'll do picture discs, colored vinyl, and so on.

Vinyl's got a swagger/mojo to it that downloaded music, CDs, and cassettes just don't have.

A lot of non-audiophiles are listening to it too.  I think they're the younger people who don't buy very many CDs and are used to listening to pirated mp3s through crap headphones or sound docks.  They probably buy their favorite stuff on vinyl (new and/or used) and play it on a vintage deck with old receivers and speakers.  Likely their parents' gear from the basement or yard sale stuff.

Everyone likes what they like.  It's just stupid to think that what you like is inherently more enjoyable to everyone, and they're dumb for liking something else.

I don't think the vinyl wave/fad/boom/whatever you want to call it is due to advertising, marketing, etc.  I haven't seen a single ad anywhere, except places like Music Direct advertising their vinyl and gear in hifi rags.

As for me, I don't care why people buy vinyl.  Doesn't change my life any, except for one good way - it keeps companies pressing vinyl.  I love vinyl.  I also love digital.  It isn't really the format, it's the content.

If everyone enjoyed what they like and left people alone who enjoyed something else (so long as it's not Sandusky type stuff), it would be a far better world.  Live and let live.  I worry about my family and myself, not what the next guy's doing to pass his time.

[PRELUDE]

Simple answer to the original question:  Vinyl will be pressed as long as there's market for it.  So long as people are willing to pay for it, someone will manufacture and sell it.

Vinyl's got something going for it that no other format can truly compete with - collectibility.  Not everyone who buys vinyl has a turntable.  Hot Topic had a bunch of vinyl, and still has some.  Shooting the breeze with a few employees at different stores, they told me about half of the people buying vinyl actually played it.  I actually thought the number would be lower, as Hot Topic isn't exactly an audiophile store.

I know a few people who buy vinyl just to collect it.  They don't have turntables, but they buy stuff from their favorite bands and keep it sealed up.  A lot of bands issue a limited edition vinyl version of their stuff, old and new.  They'll do picture discs, colored vinyl, and so on.

Vinyl's got a swagger/mojo to it that downloaded music, CDs, and cassettes just don't have.

A lot of non-audiophiles are listening to it too.  I think they're the younger people who don't buy very many CDs and are used to listening to pirated mp3s through crap headphones or sound docks.  They probably buy their favorite stuff on vinyl (new and/or used) and play it on a vintage deck with old receivers and speakers.  Likely their parents' gear from the basement or yard sale stuff.

Everyone likes what they like.  It's just stupid to think that what you like is inherently more enjoyable to everyone, and they're dumb for liking something else.

I don't think the vinyl wave/fad/boom/whatever you want to call it is due to advertising, marketing, etc.  I haven't seen a single ad anywhere, except places like Music Direct advertising their vinyl and gear in hifi rags.

As for me, I don't care why people buy vinyl.  Doesn't change my life any, except for one good way - it keeps companies pressing vinyl.  I love vinyl.  I also love digital.  It isn't really the format, it's the content.

If everyone enjoyed what they like and left people alone who enjoyed something else (so long as it's not Sandusky type stuff), it would be a far better world.  Live and let live.  I worry about my family and myself, not what the next guy's doing to pass his time.

I agree with you as I said I am not big of any just enjoy it.

[jimdgoulding]

That's prolly right.  So sorry.  Perhaps there is a difference between bits and vibration.  But, you haven't thought of that  What doesn't vibrate, dummy?  Digital is manmade evolutionary plastic.  I tire of it after an hour of so.  Do you have anything to compare it to?  I can listen to records until dawn.  Jus cause i'm not modern, I suppose.  Think I haven't thought of that?

[PRELUDE]

That's prolly right.  So sorry.  Perhaps there is a difference between bits and vibration.  But, you haven't thought of that  What doesn't vibrate, dummy?  Digital is manmade evolutionary plastic.  I tire of it after an hour of so.  I can listen to records until dawn.  Jus cause i'm not modern, I suppose.  Think I haven't thought of that?

CD=HOSPITAL
When you walk in any hospital,it is clean and white but you do not want to stay there too long.
Any way when someone invites you to his/her house to listen to music and you see a turntable on the audio rack you think better about the person.Does not have to be a big or expensive one.

[jimdgoulding]

Hi, Prelude.  Yes, I'm gonna think better about the person and I'm gonna bring some recordings and if he throws me out, something is wrong with his nervous system or playback system.  Poor sucker either way.  But, I would happily advise in the latter.  Maybe he might learn something.  Might cure the former.  But, if we were listening to decent playback, I might become his new best friend and he mine.

[brooklyn]

My current audio system and my 57 year old ears tells me vinyl sounds more involving than digital, that said.

Hi-res, digital, vinyl, cd's analog and what ever else you want to lump into this category = music.

Play what you like, it's all good..

[jimdgoulding]

  , I guess.

[FullRangeMan]

Vinyl's got something going for it that no other format can truly compete with - collectibility.  Not everyone who buys vinyl has a turntable.  Hot Topic had a bunch of vinyl, and still has some.  Shooting the breeze with a few employees at different stores, they told me about half of the people buying vinyl actually played it.  I actually thought the number would be lower, as Hot Topic isn't exactly an audiophile store.

I know a few people who buy vinyl just to collect it.  They don't have turntables, but they buy stuff from their favorite bands and keep it sealed up.  A lot of bands issue a limited edition vinyl version of their stuff, old and new.  They'll do picture discs, colored vinyl, and so on.

Vinyl's got a swagger/mojo to it that downloaded music, CDs, and cassettes just don't have.

I don't think the vinyl wave/fad/boom/whatever you want to call it is due to advertising, marketing, etc.  I haven't seen a single ad anywhere, except places like Music Direct advertising their vinyl and gear in hifi rags.

Quotes:
Not everyone who buys vinyl has a turntable.
Very true... Afew years ago I see two guys disputing a JazzRock LP on a used store, after half hour one buy the LP disc, and the other guy buy the empty cover.
Also in this big store(1,5 millions LPs) they had received some japanese guys that came buy empty covers, that is the best part of the vinyl format.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86k-U3xV5f0

Vinyl's got a swagger/mojo to it that downloaded music, CDs, and cassettes just don't have.
It must be the big cover, it offer a sense of artwork as a famous painting ... more the fact that people think it is almost disappearing from the market, there was a false sense of rarity and some can not resist buying.

[James Tanner]

Hi Folks,

The thing I find that vinyl does well (assuming a quality system) is a very expanded soundstage.

A lot of other media seems to place instruments in the soundstage in a BIG 'C' shape where the center of the stage is deep but there is not much happening directly behind and to the outside of each speaker. 

james

[Stu Pitt]

Hi Folks,

The thing I find that vinyl does well (assuming a quality system) is a very expanded soundstage.

A lot of other media seems to place instruments in the soundstage in a BIG 'C' shape where the center of the stage is deep but there is not much happening directly behind and to the outside of each speaker. 

james

I fully agree with that, James.  I haven't heard enough hi-res to comment on it, but compared to redbook...
 To my ears, vinyl has a broader soundstage in every direction.  Instruments and voices have their own defined space, which helps the recording sound more real to me.  The timbre, texture and tone sound more natural, making the playback more natural sounding to my ears.

Only an idiot would think that every vinyl album sounds better than its digital counterpart.  It's all in the mastering.  But I've found more often than not, vinyl sounds more realistic to my ears.

None of that should be taken as me being a vinyl snob.  I enjoy my digital collection just as much.  I play about 95% digital.  To me, vinyl is a treat when I have time to sit down with no one else home and truly relax.

The way I look at it, why choose when we can have both?

[James Tanner]

I fully agree with that, James.  I haven't heard enough hi-res to comment on it, but compared to redbook...
 To my ears, vinyl has a broader soundstage in every direction.  Instruments and voices have their own defined space, which helps the recording sound more real to me.  The timbre, texture and tone sound more natural, making the playback more natural sounding to my ears.

Only an idiot would think that every vinyl album sounds better than its digital counterpart.  It's all in the mastering.  But I've found more often than not, vinyl sounds more realistic to my ears.

None of that should be taken as me being a vinyl snob.  I enjoy my digital collection just as much.  I play about 95% digital.  To me, vinyl is a treat when I have time to sit down with no one else home and truly relax.

The way I look at it, why choose when we can have both?

I Stu,

I agree - one thing that really sets the BDP-1 apart (even if I do say so myself) is it has the ability to compete with LP's when it comes to soundstage recreation.
It is something I listen for all the time.  I think it has to do with the ability to resolve very low level signals.

james

[PRELUDE]

I Stu,

I agree - one thing that really sets the BDP-1 apart (even if I do say so myself) is it has the ability to compete with LP's when it comes to soundstage recreation.
It is something I listen for all the time.  I think it has to do with the ability to resolve very low level signals.

James

James you got the point.
And the one with a nice active system would appreciated more that what BDP-1 can do.
I still love turntables.

[95Dyna]

hey, Dyna!

two thumbs up for your last comment

al.

Thanks Alex, hope all is well over there in Deutchland (my ancestral home)!

[JBLMVBC]

Vinyl is king to me. It sounds better to me, and I prefer the aesthetics. I don't like what digital brings to the table. It doesn't sound realistic to me. Now with that outta the way, there's a whole vinyl community online (hundreds of videos on you tube-type in "vinyl community" in the search engine there) as well as offline. Literally thousands of collectors and audiophiles alike. And it is thriving. The stores do not lie, vinyl sales are way up, cd is what's dying.

All hail the vinyl community! and long live ANALOG!

Indeed. Let's notice that DSD was brought on in order to have digital come closer to the detailed sound offered by analog. Sure vinyl has its own annoyances: hiss, cracks, quality change from edge to center of the disc, variations with pressing quality and in 45RPM a limited duration making classical music a challenge. But 45RPM is as close as you'll get to master tapes. 33RPM still feels like a "representation" of the original. As for vinyl wear, it mostly comes from early poor equipment and low quality material used for the disc, mostly prior to the transition to CD.
Some vinyls from the 1960s are still sounding spectacular even in the high frequencies.

As for digital, there are sensible differences between let's say a 24/176 and a 24/192, especially if one is used to the real sound of an instrument.

[alexone]

Thanks Alex, hope all is well over there in Deutchland (my ancestral home)!

Dyna,

...yes everything is ok. thanks for asking . who moved from here to the U.S.? your parents or your grandparents??

al.