[Marius]

HI James,

We discussed the playing order of the BDP1 earlier along my Chandos USB Elgar Oratorios. Recently I ripped a Wagner Ring and as you know the opera's consist of several cd's. I tried to use one of the more important advantages of the BDP over de BCD: playing the whole opera from within 1 folder, thus copied al the relevant tracks per act into one folder on the HDd attached to the BDP.

Unfortunately the BDP reads the track number that apparently is coded in the cd track, and accordingly ripped along. It mixes all the track numbers numerically. cd1 tr 1 cd2 tr 1 cd1 tr2 cd2 tr 2 etc etc.

Today I ripped a Bruckner8 symphony, with the 4th movement on cd 2. Renamed the the 4th movement to nr 4 (...) in XLD, and to be sure also in the finder on my Mac, and copied it all into one folder. But again, the BDP1, playes them in the wrong order. Cd1 tr 1 cd 2 tr 1 (fourth movement...) cd1 tr 2 ec etc.

Can/must I ripp in some other way, or what else can I do about this. It is too annoying to just let go...

Please help,
Marius

[zybar]

Marius,

You can use any of the numerous editors out there (I generally use MP3tag) to make the changes you want so that you can listen to multiple cd's as a single entity.

If you don't want to change the tag data, you could always go the playlist route.

George

[Vincent Kars]

The solution depends a bit on the software used on the BDP

Try adding a tag DISCNUMBER
If this doesn't help rename the Album Title to "Wagner [1]", Wagner [2],etc

A bit more detail can be found on my website: http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/SW/MultiVolume.htm

[Marius]

Hi Vincent and George,

Thanks! I'll check your suggestions.
in the meantime I realized that I can change the tags from within XLD also, have to check whether that solves my problem also. Lot of work though....

Greetings,
Marius

The solution depends a bit on the software used on the BDP

Try adding a tag DISCNUMBER
If this doesn't help rename the Album Title to "Wagner [1]", Wagner [2],etc

A bit more detail can be found on my website: http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/SW/MultiVolume.htm

[JRace]

Can you show us the tags as encoded on one of the files?

Depending on what the BDP uses to determine playback order you should be able to modify that tag to work.

For example, if it uses just track #, then you can name the tracks:
(CD1): 101, 102, 103 etc
(CD2): 201, 202, 203 etc
(CD3): 301, 302, 303 etc

[terrycym]

MP3Tag can edit the DISCNUMBER tag
if I rip a multledisc album, I clear the contents of this tag.
I then apply an offset to the track numbers of the second CD so that they follow on from the first CD.
Simples, tsk!

[terrycym]

Better still, James.
Please talk to your software guys and get the firmware to read the DISKNUMBER tag so that multiCD albums play correctly.
It shouldn't be that difficult, honest!
Got to be worth it to keep Marius happy

[Marius]

O yes, I need that today. Thank you Terry.

having network/airplay/router quests enough for the moment.....

Better still, James.
Please talk to your software guys and get the firmware to read the DISKNUMBER tag so that multiCD albums play correctly.
It shouldn't be that difficult, honest!
Go to be worth it to keep Marius happy

[James Tanner]

O yes, I need that today. Thank you Terry.

having network/airplay/router quests enough for the moment.....

Again the BDP is a music playback device not an all in one .......please let me stream music to my cottage device.

James

[Marius]

Hi James,

What do you mean? I do understand the BDP is not a streaming device. That's why I have one in the house....

I was only referring to my other problems (finding the source that interfered with Airplay in my network, see the appropriate thread)

Terry's great suggestion about the disknumber-tag was one I could appreciate, because of my search in finding a solution to let the BDP play those recordings in the right order.

So no misunderstanding about the BDP1 here. Enjoying its miracles everyday!

Greetings,
Marius

Again the BDP is a music playback device not an all in one .......please let me stream music to my cottage device.

James

[skunark]

Tell your ripper to tag the track with two digits vs one and have it prefix the file name as well, for example:

a) Single disc, with indexes broken out as tracks
01 Track 1
02 Track 2, index 1
03 Track 2, index 2
04 Track 3
..
10 Track 9

b) multiple discs album
1-01 Disc 1, Track 1
1-02 Disc 1, Track 2, index 1
1-03 Disc 1, Track 2, index 2
1-04 Disc 1, Track 3
...
1-10 CD 1, Track 9
2-01 CD 2, Track 1
...
etc.  (for a structure of artist/album and for completion/album)

I've never had this issue with the BDP even with multiple-disc sets, I've also have always named the files this way and it's work with players that read and ignore tags.   

I honestly can see why you are having so much issues with this, any real media manager does this automatically.   Don't be afraid to correct file names and tags for music you download either.

[Marius]

Hi,

Thanks. The more I get into this, the more I find my way in getting it right.... The problem arises mostly in two cases:
- Playing a not-ripped but commercially available USB-thumbdrive like the Chandos I mentioned earlier
- Ripping a multiple cd set and reordering tracks in a logical way rather the CD-original way. For example: a multiple cd recording of Wagners Ring. an opera has 4 cd's not necessarily devided over the cd's along the musical act-division. I want to put those act's together, and give them appropriate numbers and titles. Somehow they are not always read in the desired order after that. The original disc-numbers are still read, and because of that playing is mixed-up.
It made me wonder if the system reads the manually inserted names/tags alone, or whether there is some hardcoding in the original tracks that is read.

But I'll double check with your suggestion of numbering multiple cd's.

Given the large amount of manual labour doing this I very much welcomed Terry's suggestion.   To be honest, I find it rather clumsy and annoying it has to work this way. Imagine throwing in a cd and having to decide yourself what the right order ought to be. Unacceptable really?

Thanks for your help.
Greetings,
Marius

Tell your ripper to tag the track with two digits vs one and have it prefix the file name as well, for example:

a) Single disc, with indexes broken out as tracks
01 Track 1
02 Track 2, index 1
03 Track 2, index 2
04 Track 3
..
10 Track 9

b) multiple discs album
1-01 Disc 1, Track 1
1-02 Disc 1, Track 2, index 1
1-03 Disc 1, Track 2, index 2
1-04 Disc 1, Track 3
...
1-10 CD 1, Track 9
2-01 CD 2, Track 1
...
etc.  (for a structure of artist/album and for completion/album)

I've never had this issue with the BDP even with multiple-disc sets, I've also have always named the files this way and it's work with players that read and ignore tags.   

I honestly can see why you are having so much issues with this, any real media manager does this automatically.   Don't be afraid to correct file names and tags for music you download either.

[terrycym]

I downloaded Layla from HDTracks
Its a 2 cd album
The tags say:
Disk1, track1, disk1, track2...Disk2, track1, disk2, track2 etc
The BDP-1 played them: disk1, track1, disk2, track1, disk2, track1, disk2, track2 etc.
I had to edit the download ro make all the tracks consecutive and get rid of the disk.
While I appreciate this is no issue for some, it is for me and others.
A fairly firmware update will fix this.
Just because it's no issue for some doesn't mean its an issue for others.
The BDP-1 costs £2,500 in the UK. This is a lot of money for some and I would like to suggest how to make the experience better for owners.

That's all.

[Marius]

+1
really hope the "software-guy" will look into this.

greetings,
Marius

I downloaded Layla from HDTracks
Its a 2 cd album
The tags say:
Disk1, track1, disk1, track2...Disk2, track1, disk2, track2 etc
The BDP-1 played them: disk1, track1, disk2, track1, disk2, track1, disk2, track2 etc.
I had to edit the download ro make all the tracks consecutive and get rid of the disk.
While I appreciate this is no issue for some, it is for me and others.
A fairly firmware update will fix this.
Just because it's no issue for some doesn't mean its an issue for others.
The BDP-1 costs £2,500 in the UK. This is a lot of money for some and I would like to suggest how to make the experience better for owners.

That's all.

[skunark]

Lol.

Use disk01 track01 disk02 track02.   It's a very simple thing to do and don't be afraid to ask the providers to correct their filenames and tags.     It's very difficult to order track1 track10 track100 but it is very easy to order track001 track010 track100.  Try sorting in a spreadsheet perhaps you will get the idea.    Even if Bryston tries to extract the track from a file name, it's not going to be perfect especially if the band, album, song starts with a number.