[willi426]

Hi everybody out there. I am still a proud owner of the old VR-6 but need to reduce the loudness of the MT/HT-unit. I got it well balanced by just putting a 1,8 to 2,2 Ohm resistor in line between the loudspeaker cable and the +binding post. But I am not sure if this would be the best solution in terms of microdynamics and resolutions. Long time ago I have read about something like a "black box" A.v.Schweikert has sold in the 90's to customers with similar "problems". I dont know if it also was just a inline-resistor-box or another solution. Does anyone have some advices how to reduce loudness in best possible way? Many thanks in advance.   

[JackD201]

Hi Will,

What frequency ranges are too loud for you?

[willi426]

Hi Jack, its that frequenzy range of the midths representing voices and most of instruments like saxs, flutes or guitars for example. I have to tame the double Audax drivers first. I tried to put a 2.2 Ohm resistor in line between cable and binding post. A little bit too much but the right way. But it will influence the tweeters output as well. But I dont know if a resistor in line will be the best possible way....x-over-network shall be very complex stuff in that model
 

[JackD201]

Using pads is typically the best way to go, so you are on the right track. What you could do is put the resistors in between the crossover and the midrange drivers so you don't affect the tweeters. You will have to open them up. You can also experiment with different values with alligator clips or something so you don't have to keep on cutting and soldering. The most extreme measure but one I favor is to install a quality attenuator like the Fostex units found on the VR-7s, 9s and 11's.

In any case, I think Albert or Damon would be the best to ask about all this. PM through here or FB should be quickest. HTH 

[McTwins]

Hi
I find it strange that you have too adjust it with a resistor or pad to reduce your loudness, these great speakers must be ruling flat. I mean, they are shurely well balanced in the first place. If you are putting a resistor before your binding post aren't you affecting your midrange as well. 

Are you running bi-amp? If not, then there must be something wrong with your setup.

Why altering your speakers in the first place, maybe it is your room that is causing the high loudness problem.

Thanks

[es347]

Using pads is typically the best way to go, so you are on the right track. What you could do is put the resistors in between the crossover and the midrange drivers so you don't affect the tweeters. You will have to open them up. You can also experiment with different values with alligator clips or something so you don't have to keep on cutting and soldering. The most extreme measure but one I favor is to install a quality attenuator like the Fostex units found on the VR-7s, 9s and 11's.

In any case, I think Albert or Damon would be the best to ask about all this. PM through here or FB should be quickest. HTH 

Doesn't Kubala make alligator clips?...from unobtanium I'm thinkin'... 

[JackD201]

You kill me gavin! 

[es347]

I'd best back off then...don't want to be accused of offing our favorite poster 

[willi426]

Thanks a lot guys for your advices and comments.
Today I got a letter from Mr. A.v.Schweikert himself. 

[merlin]

Here another VR6 owner.  Consciously bought the VR6  about 10 years ago,  never a regret. Super !
Several amps (from  Cad 300B SE mono’s  to  powerfull transistor amps) have been used,  and I always wanted a little bit more presence of the lower frequencies.
Up to now  I use a LPAD which is externally applied. Works, but probably not the best solution.
I would be quite  pleased if  there are other ways to manage this.
Thanks !

[McTwins]

Hi
If you want to EQ then use a active x-over with build in DSP.

There is all the feature you will need.

Thanks

[ceedee]

Hi Willi,

We have very nice and musical results with ARC from Anthem Statement.
The D2v looks like a HT processor at first but it can do stereo as well at very high level.
The ARC is very usefull to control the room.

Good luck,

Cor


See also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcGhTYc-TQ4

[merlin]

Hi
If you want to EQ then use a active x-over with build in DSP.
There is all the feature you will need.

Thanks,  an active x-over is a possibility to consider.
Your remarks earlier: "these great speakers must be ruling flat. I mean, they are shurely well balanced in the first place."   are absolutely correct.
I know I'm compensating some flaw in another part of my system.  The LPAD only adds  1ohm.
Now I'm looking for the cause, in order to correct this, rather than compensating at the end.