have you ever heard a binaural recording ?

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have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« on: 29 Apr 2011, 09:49 pm »

Two microphones are inside the head,one inside each ear. They hear the sound as processed by the shape of the ears.
Using 24 bits and sampling rate of 96KHz. No overdubs,No editing. They do not use volume-compression to maintain the full dynamics of the
performance.Any change in volume or left to right or front to back movement is created by the musicians moving around the dummy head.
I have only one album that is binaural recorded and I like it a lot.

rob80b

Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #1 on: 29 Apr 2011, 10:49 pm »
Yep,


"The history of binaural recording goes back to 1881"

"In the late 1970s, Lou Reed recorded 3 albums in binaural" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording

I did my first binaural recordings around the same time (1971 that is) while taking an experimental music program at university.

Robert

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Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #2 on: 29 Apr 2011, 10:51 pm »
Does it sound better through headphones? Or is it still pretty good through a standard hifi?

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Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #3 on: 29 Apr 2011, 11:05 pm »
After reading about binaural recordings a while back, I bought a couple specifically to use with my headphones. It was clear to me that this was the way you were supposed to listen to music with HP's. I have a headphone amp with the crossfeed capability but it wasn't quite the same.

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rob80b

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« Reply #4 on: 29 Apr 2011, 11:19 pm »
Does it sound better through headphones? Or is it still pretty good through a standard hifi?

Only headphones, that's why 5.1 systems were pursued for HT but it still does not get even close to the aural 3D experience that you get though headphones from a well executed binaural recording.

Robert

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« Reply #5 on: 30 Apr 2011, 12:07 am »
Does it sound better through headphones? Or is it still pretty good through a standard hifi?
Yes,even the only cd that I have has a lable said {headphones only}

Stu Pitt

Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #6 on: 30 Apr 2011, 01:01 am »
Pearl Jam's Binaural album has several tracks recorded as binaural (hence the album's title).  I haven't really listened to it for some reason or another.  Maybe when all's quiet in the house.  I'll have to look up which tracks are and which aren't. 

rob80b

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« Reply #7 on: 30 Apr 2011, 01:28 am »
A cute story,
 
We were doing a binaural recording of acoustic guitar way back when using  a binaural mike/headphone set, the musician wearing the head-set had his dog circling around him in the studio during the recording and messing things up a bit.
Needless to say later that evening listening to the playback with the headphones he (the musician not the dog) had his eyes closed so as to experience the full 3D effect, all the while he was he was frantically waving his arms all around and repeating “come here boy”, only to find out the dog had left the room hours ago after the initial recording.

Robert

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« Reply #8 on: 30 Apr 2011, 04:54 am »
Can you recommend a few good recordings? thanks


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Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #10 on: 30 Apr 2011, 07:46 am »
Yep,


"In the late 1970s, Lou Reed recorded 3 albums in binaural" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording

Robert

Robert : Which Lou Reed recordings would those be ?

D.D.


rob80b

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« Reply #11 on: 30 Apr 2011, 11:01 am »
Robert : Which Lou Reed recordings would those be ?

D.D.

Hi D.D.

They make reference to them here.
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=147115
"Lou Reed did indeed do 3 binaurally recorded albums "Street Hassle", "The Bells" and "Take No Prisoners - Live". The most interesting effect of all 3 albums is when Lou talks beside your ear at the start of Take No Prisoners - Live. Very realistic."

Robert

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Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #12 on: 30 Apr 2011, 02:18 pm »
Can you recommend a few good recordings? thanks
I can't rememember how many times I listened to this.Every time I find something new and interesting point in the hole album.
Before I bought this,I had the redbook cd of the same album and since I have the binaural recorded one I did not touch the old one.
It is a must have for headphone lovers but even in home system sound is far better then the redbook one I have.


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Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #13 on: 30 Apr 2011, 08:17 pm »
"Lou Reed did indeed do 3 binaurally recorded albums "Street Hassle", "The Bells" and "Take No Prisoners - Live".

D'oh !
I own seven Lou Reed albums and of course, not one of these three.  :duh:

D.D.

JBLMVBC

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« Reply #14 on: 3 May 2011, 01:39 am »
Thanks Prelude! :)

Russell Dawkins

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« Reply #15 on: 3 May 2011, 06:30 am »
An experiment done by Sennheiser (I think) in around 1985 showed that variations in the shape of individual pinnae make large differences to the sound arriving at the ear drum. The test was done with the company's miniature in-the-ear microphones - they looked like stethoscopes with very slim ends; much smaller than the ear canal. The sensing elements were small enough to sample the sound at the eardrum without being so large as to have much of an effect on the sound.

Each of a number of engineers listened to a musical performance while it was being recorded from their ears, in pairs of tracks on a multitrack recorder; 24 tracks enabling the simultaneous recording of 12 engineers' pairs of ears.

In playback, through in-the-ear 'phones (essential, since over-the-ear phones introduce a second set of pinnae - the listener's), each engineer was easily and unequivocally able to pick the recording that had been made through his ears, due to the large variation introduced by the various shapes of pinnae and ear canals.

This led me to suggest to a recording engineer back in 1987 a binaural microphone arrangement that produced the interaural time delay and the loudness attenuation and frequency contouring effects of the head, but eliminated the pinnae, so the listener would be free to use over-the-ear headphones for playback and hear the pinnae contribution only of his own ears. He was excited about the idea and asked if I minded if he brought it up at the next AES meeting. I said no, go ahead, and in three years Schoeps came out with their sphere microphone - which was exactly what I had envisaged:
http://www.schoeps.de/en/products/kfm6
I'm pretty sure it was just a coincidence, though. I bought one in 1995 ($8500!) and used it for about ten years, in parallel with my Royer SF12 as the main stereo "pair", but it was almost never chosen over the Royer by the client when they heard it in playback, so I sold it. I have to say, the binaural effect was not very convincing, either, so I guess I was wrong - better to have the pinnae, even if they are not your own, and use in-the-ear headphones for playback.

As an aside, there is a track on Michael Jackson's Thriller on which Bruce Swedien (the engineer) recorded the drum set with a Neumann dummy head ("Kuntzkopf"), so I guess if you listen with headphones, the drums jump out at you. I think Bruce did it just for fun, but of course almost nobody noticed.

Here's a neat DIY binaural mic project for you ardent amateurs: http://digdagga.com/dummy/earCanals.html

rob80b

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« Reply #16 on: 3 May 2011, 12:44 pm »
Virtual haircuts are a classic, there's a good one "hear".

http://jaxov.com/2009/09/top-10-binaural-recordings-auditory-illusions/
Virtual Barbershop

If you're into it try playing all tracks at once.

Robert

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Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #17 on: 3 May 2011, 02:19 pm »
This recording



is also binaural and one of the best relaxing music I know (the other CDs from the same label aren't that good). I bought it years ago during vacation in the USA.

It's very well recorded and with headphones it sounds really different than other recordings in terms of space and ambient feeling - much more immersing.
While headphones are good I think ear plugs are better to reproduce the binaural effect. But even with ordinary speakers the ambience is still different to normal recordings. Is it better? For this kind of music I would say "yes".

Little anecdote:
I gave the CD to some of my friends and most of them reported that they were startled while relaxing (in the dark) because some sounds on the CD gave the impression that something in the room was making noises (Track 3 with the horses...). :lol:

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Re: have you ever heard a binaural recording ?
« Reply #18 on: 7 May 2011, 08:41 pm »
I have Lou Reed's 'Take No Prisoners - Live' on vinyl. Good sounding recording, imo!