RM40 Question

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HighRez

RM40 Question
« on: 9 Apr 2011, 09:56 pm »
Hello,

I have recently stumbled upon VMPS speakers (yes, I live under a rock) while researching my next speaker upgrade. After taking a look at the various models offered on the VMPS website the RM40 seems to have stood out to me the most because of it’s full range capabilities. My only concern at this point is that they may be too much for my listening room size and configuration.

Linked below is my current room layout.

http://home.comcast.net/~postuser/pics/Room.bmp

I should note that I do like big sounding speakers and typically listen to music at 95+ db during normal listening sessions but at the same time I don't want a speaker that will BOOM me out of the room and compromise accurate music reproduction and diminish SQ . My musical tastes are mainly Rock (Zeppelin,AC/DC,Doors..etc) and Trance but on occasion I will throw on some Hi-Res files from Keith Jarrett, Miles Davis & Misc Blues artists.

My current system is as follows:

Bel Canto DAC3
PASS Labs X250
Logitech Transporter
Wadia i-170 Dock
Rotel RCD -1070 Cd Player
Legacy Audio Signature III's
Shunyata VRay on a dedicated 20 amp circuit
Shunyata Hydra 6 on another dedicated 20 amp circuit
Shunyata Python & Taipan Power Cords throughout

Can anyone who has heard the RM40 provide some insight on how it may perform in a room like mine or if I should really be considering something smaller? Ultimately I want something that can play as Full Range as possible without the need for a separate sub due to room placement constraints.

Thanks for any info you can provide

Brian Cheney

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Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #1 on: 10 Apr 2011, 04:34 pm »
Your room is plenty large enough for the RM40.  I would recommend the digital outboard crossover/EQ/room correction ($750) which requires biamping but can compensate for typical room problems.  The sound of the 40's is now much improved with the new Constant Directivity Waveguides (generation II), included.  The system in nice finishes retails from $5800pr, and there are options available at extra cost.

Pez

Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #2 on: 10 Apr 2011, 04:46 pm »
The 40s are the speaker for you from what you've described. Your room is larger than mine and I use the 40s triamped. They put out bass well below the 20hz range in my setu and can play as loud as you can stand! Your pass lab amp shouldnt have any trouble running them full range, but like Brian said I would recommend that you use them in at least biamp if not triamped.  I am using a mere 8 watt amp on the tweeters and midrange panels then a 400-600ish watt amp for the woofers and I can play them so loud I can't listen for extended periods, but I'm a bit of a wimp, 120dB is too much for me.  Any way the 40s are the best speaker in a lot of ways. No other speaker I have heard/owned has the level of detail and clarity. And if setup properly the 40s image and soundstage is crazy.

John Casler

Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #3 on: 10 Apr 2011, 05:59 pm »
Hi HiRez,

No time better to stumble upon the RM40's as now.  Even though they were exceptional performers back in 2002, (when they won Best of Show HIGH END at CES) they are now far better with more options to make them what you want.  There have been numerous improvements and upgrades since their inception back then.

Now temper all my comments with the disclosure that I am a VMPS Dealer. 8)

I have had and placed more RM40s than I can count, and they all sounded spectacular.  However, set up, room, system and options can make then "fit" your situation to the best performance.

Your systems looks up to the task.  The Pass is a great part of that since the RM40s LUV power and current.

It appears you sit around 7ft from the speakers, and that is how i have my BCSE Pair of RM40's set up.  This is rather nearfield, but the drivers integrate perfectly for such a large speaker.  This has to do with the wide band response of the neopanel drivers, and the way Brian integrates the woofers and tweeters at each end.

I might mention that even though you seem to like high SPL's, you may find you will achieve "sonic satisfation" at a lower number with VMPS.  This is because they render all the clarity, resolution, and impact without the need to BLAST like many other brands.

Quite often, a speaker doesn't sound complete unless it is real loud.  VMPS can be listened to late at night still having a fullness and complete sound.

Regarding the need for a sub.  The RM40 can reach down to the low 20's so for most musical needs you will not need a sub.  I have 4 LARGER SUBS and NEVER turn them on except for HT use.  If you are using this for a music system only, then a sub will likely not be required (especially if you use that PASS on the woofs)

Also the speaker can be "tuned".  That is with the OXO or D-OXO you can adjust the driver participation to best fit your room.

There is also an additional adjustment you can try, and that is tuning the damping of the woofers.  Now they come "pre-tuned" from the factory, but you may wish to make small adjustments from time to time to accomodate your system, and or the further break in of the woofer system.

I currently have two pair of RM40's in my personal 2 channel and HT systems and the only speaker I can think of that I would trade them for would be the RM50 Dual Line Array Bipole.

Interestingly enough, before being a VMPS dealer, I was a Legacy Dealer and my 2 channel system was equipped with the Signature III's which are an excellent speaker.  I well remember the day that my first pair of RM40's arrived and I was able to A/B them within the same room and system.

The end result was that I became a VMPS dealer.

Obviously, I liked the sound.  You will hear things in recordings that you didn't know where there.  To that end, the RM40 is a BRUTALLY honest speaker in that it is not forgiving, and it will not "clean up" a recordings faults.

But when you put the Remastered "Stairway to Heaven" on the system, you will NOT :nono: be able to move from the sweet spot.


RM40's ROCK!!!


(again please temper my comments with the disclosure that I am likely the biggest VMPS cheerleader :green:)


HighRez

Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #4 on: 10 Apr 2011, 07:24 pm »
Hey thanks for all the replies and info on these speakers. Based on the research I have been doing and the information provided here I think these speakers will remain in the top 3 contenders for my next purchase with a big advantage going to the vmps brand in terms of bang for the buck. The other remaining contender in the brand new speaker category for me are the Legacy Focus SE and in the pre owned category would be a set of Revel Ultima Studio2 but they are hard to find on the used market.

If I may go off topic here for a minute, I have a buddy who is also about to pull the trigger on a new set of speakers. I have pointed him in the direction of the vmps RM2's and or a set of ZU Audio Omen Definitions. I think the vmps RM2 may be a better match for his listening tastes though as he favors chunky bass lines and loud listening sessions. I have some concerns that the ZU Def’s may not be up to the task as far as bass goes. On the other hand, he is also not really a “tweaker” so some concern against the RM2 is that he won’t want to fiddle around too much with the putty and tone controls. Too much tuning power in the hands of some can certainly be dangerous but I’m pretty sure I could walk him through how to do it over the phone if needed. 

One question I have in regards to a potential purchase of the vmps brand in general is around the logics of acquiring them. I live outside the Phila, PA area and my buddy lives in Colorado Springs. I wasn’t able to find any PA dealers so I know for my potential purchase I would probably need to account for the added hefty expense of shipping the RM40. For my buddy though, I noticed that on the website there is a company named “The Bolder Cable Company” that is listed as a dealer.

Can anyone tell me if this place is still a dealer and if its common for most of the vmps dealers in general to keep any stock on site? I know that some audio dealers don’t always have a storefronts and such

Thanks again for the info

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Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #5 on: 10 Apr 2011, 07:29 pm »
Wayne at Bolder is no longer a dealer for any products but his own.  Retail prices are plus shipping anyway.  40's to your area run about $600pr to ship by truck.

John Casler

Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #6 on: 11 Apr 2011, 01:37 am »
Hey thanks for all the replies and info on these speakers. Based on the research I have been doing and the information provided here I think these speakers will remain in the top 3 contenders for my next purchase with a big advantage going to the vmps brand in terms of bang for the buck. The other remaining contender in the brand new speaker category for me are the Legacy Focus SE and in the pre owned category would be a set of Revel Ultima Studio2 but they are hard to find on the used market.

All three worthy contenders, but the RM40 has a different presentation that the other two.

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If I may go off topic here for a minute, I have a buddy who is also about to pull the trigger on a new set of speakers. I have pointed him in the direction of the vmps RM2's and or a set of ZU Audio Omen Definitions. I think the vmps RM2 may be a better match for his listening tastes though as he favors chunky bass lines and loud listening sessions. I have some concerns that the ZU Def’s may not be up to the task as far as bass goes.


The RM2 do offer a speaker that hits the low octaves quite well.  However one might build their system differently than they would with the highly efficient ZU's.


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On the other hand, he is also not really a “tweaker” so some concern against the RM2 is that he won’t want to fiddle around too much with the putty and tone controls. Too much tuning power in the hands of some can certainly be dangerous but I’m pretty sure I could walk him through how to do it over the phone if needed.

First and most importantly, you can take any VMPS speaker and "out of the box" never do anything but place it and hook it up.  Brian pre-tunes each speaker before it leaves the factory.

That said, the ability to then further "tune" your speaker is nothing but a plus for those interested in such fine tuning.

Some of the "stories" occasionally seen regarding wrecking the sound, or substantially improving the sound, with but a small tweak are pretty much exagerations.

If one is interested in "tweaking around" with the controls, all you have to do is make note of the current "starting position" of the L-Pads and save any putty you remove and take them back to "factory settings" anytime you wish.

As well Brian and I are always only a phone call away and we are only happy to talk you through it.

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One question I have in regards to a potential purchase of the vmps brand in general is around the logics of acquiring them. I live outside the Phila, PA area and my buddy lives in Colorado Springs. I wasn’t able to find any PA dealers so I know for my potential purchase I would probably need to account for the added hefty expense of shipping the RM40. For my buddy though, I noticed that on the website there is a company named “The Bolder Cable Company” that is listed as a dealer.

Can anyone tell me if this place is still a dealer and if its common for most of the vmps dealers in general to keep any stock on site? I know that some audio dealers don’t always have a storefronts and such

Thanks again for the info

As Brian mentioned we have only a handful of dealers and none that I know of in the US have stock or Store Fronts, (ALL however, DO have VMPS Speakers in their demo systems) so all speakers will ship from El Sobrante CA direct to you.

Too bad you're not closer to Pittsburg as I have a HUGE VMPS RM40 fan out the (the ROC) but in your case I think that is still several hours away.


Pez

Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #7 on: 11 Apr 2011, 01:49 am »
I'd be willing to entertain your friend who has an interest in the 40s in Colorado if he's willing to drive from the springs. I live in Littleton which is about 45-60 minute drive. Send me a pm.

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Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #8 on: 11 Apr 2011, 11:36 am »
rim (woodsyi) has an excellent set up w/rm40's that i have had the pleasure to listen to on several occasions.  he's a most excellent host, and has listening sessions somewhat frequently.  he's in vienna, va - outside dc - and it would be worth your while to make the drive the next time he has a gathering. there is also a vmps dealer in dc:

http://www.dynamicsoundaudio.com/

he works out of his house, but will likely have at least one pair of vmps to listen to; it might be worth giving him a holler...

doug s.

John Casler

Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #9 on: 11 Apr 2011, 02:27 pm »
rim (woodsyi) has an excellent set up w/rm40's that i have had the pleasure to listen to on several occasions.  he's a most excellent host, and has listening sessions somewhat frequently.  he's in vienna, va - outside dc - and it would be worth your while to make the drive the next time he has a gathering. there is also a vmps dealer in dc:

http://www.dynamicsoundaudio.com/

he works out of his house, but will likely have at least one pair of vmps to listen to; it might be worth giving him a holler...

doug s.

Hi Doug,

Rim is certainly reputed to have some of the best sounding RM40's around, but Lucius (Dynamic Sound in DC) our long standing dealer in DC has retired and is probably sitting enjoying his RM40s as I write.


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Re: RM40 Question
« Reply #10 on: 11 Apr 2011, 02:31 pm »
Hi Doug,

Rim is certainly reputed to have some of the best sounding RM40's around, but Lucius our long standing dealer in DC has retired and is probably sitting enjoying his RM40s as I write.
hi john, thanks for the heads-up - lucious's website needs updating as well as brian's...   :wink:

and, i dunno if rim's rm40's are some of the best sounding around - i have only heard one other pair, and briefly.  but, rim's sure sound nice!   :green:

doug s.