streaming vs non streaming- what are the differences???

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hi, folks!

i think that there is still a little bit of misunderstanding about the streaming/non streaming hype (consider me as one of them :icon_lol:).
furthermore i hope that this thread can help to understand the benefit of the new Bryston BDP-1, cause it is not a streamer, not a server and so on...

so if anyone can explain the pro/con about this theme any input is welcome!

thanx,

al.

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Re: streaming vs non streaming- what are the differences???
« Reply #1 on: 21 Dec 2010, 11:56 am »
"Streaming" means playing a file while it's being sent from a separate server without 'downloading' the file first.

When you play a song from an Internet radio station, that's streaming. When you plug a USB drive into the BDP-1 music player, the drive becomes part of the local server, and files have been loaded to the server already. And when you want to play another song, you don't have to stream it from the Internet or from a local network to another local computer.

Also streaming can be done wirelessly (wi-fi - limted to 44.1/16 at this point) or through wires (ethernet - can do 192/24).

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Re: streaming vs non streaming- what are the differences???
« Reply #2 on: 21 Dec 2010, 12:56 pm »
Hi Al,

Here is the info from our literature that discusses the reason we went the way we did on the BDP-1:

Many digital playback systems incorporate an ‘all in one’ approach to digital playback where the computer has the operating system (EX: Windows or Mac), the video interface, the CD ripper/player, the motherboard, the soundcard and the DAC’s contained in one chassis. (Think of this approach more as an audio ‘receiver’ rather than the more performance oriented approach of independent tuner, preamplifier and power amplifier in order to optimize performance in each specific area. This receiver approach is fine for what it is as it allows for a very easy solution for someone who is looking for ease of use.  The problem is the performance suffers due to issues of noise and distortion created by this all in one approach. The computer is a great tool for searching and downloading content, but it may become a cumbersome tool for playback of quality content. The Bryston BDP-1 Digital Player is much easier to use in practice than a typical multipurpose desktop interface.
 
We addressed this process differently. We broke the different tasks apart and dedicated our efforts on the stages that we can bring the most value and performance to. We also felt (in the tradition of component audio) that a dedicated one-function device can do a task much better than the “Swiss Army Knife” personal computer approach …example our BDA-1 DAC. All in one music servers have serious issues with noise and distortion so our approach is to totally separate the 'digital processing' side of the procedure (playing music files) from the 'data management' (storage, handling, ripping etc.) side of the equation. The Bryston BDP-1 Digital Players single function is to play high-resolution digital music files without compromise using a USB drive. The BDP-1 does not contain a hard-drive (no moving parts) or streamer or CD player or ripper, or noisy fans and switching power supplies

To do this most efficiently, we use a Linux operating system optimized in ways only possible in Linux to provide the highest quality audio performance. Its mainboard is of industrial quality that uses only a small amount of its computing power. The Bryston modified soundcard is one of the finest available and the AES-EBU Balanced and BNC (spdif) output section provides for the highest possible performance when connected to the AES-EBU, BNC or COAX input on the Bryston BDA-1 external DAC. We also incorporate electronic isolation of audio components from computer components and use galvanic isolation to isolate and avoid charge-carrying particles moving from one section to another.

The Bryston BDP-1 Player focuses ‘only’ on playing high resolution files and will support 16 bit and 24 bit files with the following sample rates: 44.1KHz, 48KHz, 88.2KHz, 96KHz, 176.4KHz & 192KHz. It accesses these digital files from a USB device – either thumb-drive or hard-drive (the CD of the 21’st century).


Obviously it is up to the listener to decide if any of this matters of course!

james

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Re: streaming vs non streaming- what are the differences???
« Reply #3 on: 21 Dec 2010, 01:06 pm »
In addition to what James said, playing a file locally, such as what the Bryston player does, involves sometime type of a local controller in the unit to interface with a local storage device. This can be a USB controller to interface with The locally attached USB "Thumb drive" or a SATA controller to interface with local hard drive.

To play/stream a file that is remotely located requires a network controller or NIC (network interface card) on the music player. Both the remote location of the music file (pc, server, laptop etc.) and the music player must both be reachable via a "network", usually an Ethernet or wifi network. And typically they must both be running a protocol called IP, with additional protocols called TCP and NFS or SAMBA.

It all sound complicated, but over the next few years most/all media content entering your house will be streamed. AT&T in the US uses this method to provide it's users with HDTV content. Bell Canada is looking at doing the same thing in Canada.

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Re: streaming vs non streaming- what are the differences???
« Reply #4 on: 21 Dec 2010, 01:54 pm »
In addition to what James said, playing a file locally, such as what the Bryston player does, involves sometime type of a local controller in the unit to interface with a local storage device. This can be a USB controller to interface with The locally attached USB "Thumb drive" or a SATA controller to interface with local hard drive.

To play/stream a file that is remotely located requires a network controller or NIC (network interface card) on the music player. Both the remote location of the music file (pc, server, laptop etc.) and the music player must both be reachable via a "network", usually an Ethernet or wifi network. And typically they must both be running a protocol called IP, with additional protocols called TCP and NFS or SAMBA.

It all sound complicated, but over the next few years most/all media content entering your house will be streamed. AT&T in the US uses this method to provide it's users with HDTV content. Bell Canada is looking at doing the same thing in Canada.

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Hi sfrazer

Do you think there is any chance at all that this universal media streaming will be done at anywhere near the performance levels us audiophiles demand.   :scratch:

James

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« Reply #5 on: 21 Dec 2010, 02:41 pm »
Hi sfrazer

Do you think there is any chance at all that this universal media streaming will be done at anywhere near the performance levels us audiophiles demand.   :scratch:

James
Even 2.8mbits/sec (DSD) should be child's play for these networks, at least for a single stream we need.   DXD at 11.2 mbps is within reach if someone really wanted to do it.  Multiple video/audio channels is the target so I don't think it's really a problem for us 2ch audiophools.

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Re: streaming vs non streaming- what are the differences???
« Reply #6 on: 21 Dec 2010, 02:54 pm »
Even 2.8mbits/sec (DSD) should be child's play for these networks, at least for a single stream we need.   DXD at 11.2 mbps is within reach if someone really wanted to do it.  Multiple video/audio channels is the target so I don't think it's really a problem for us 2ch audiophools.

Thanks :thumb:

James

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Re: streaming vs non streaming- what are the differences???
« Reply #7 on: 21 Dec 2010, 06:13 pm »
Hi sfrazer

Do you think there is any chance at all that this universal media streaming will be done at anywhere near the performance levels us audiophiles demand.   :scratch:

James

James, certainly the network performance levels are available within the "home network" today. I stream BluRay content (30-45 mbps) today with no  issues. 8 port Gigabit Ethernet switch's cost about $60 and can pretty much switch at wire speed. This is the brute force method, with no quality of service, just sheer bandwidth.

You mention "universal media streaming" above. I will assume you mean streaming form the Internet? As I mentioned in my original post, it is being done today by AT&T etc. They build a last mile infrastructure that can provide 20+ Mbps per household. This infrastructure connects to the Internet but also connects to several "overlay" networks which provide broadcast HDTV, and VOD services. The last mile infrastructure is "QOS or service aware" and can tune itself based on what the end subscriber requires.

The real issue I see is this. AT&T built this IP access  network to provide multiple multimedia services. They are charging accordingly for these services, and it is in there best interest to make the access network behaves accordingly and gives the end subscriber a great experience. Therefore these multimedia services all reside on AT&T's portion of the Internet, where they can control all aspects of the service.

The real question today is, is there a big enough demand for real time high  quality audio streaming for a service provider to offer it as a service? I doubt it. At least for now!