Using an external hard drive

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skunark

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #20 on: 24 Nov 2010, 08:21 pm »
What about a 4 drive raid enclosure?

Raid isn't a backup.  Unless you have more than 4TB of data it's not needed

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #21 on: 24 Nov 2010, 08:23 pm »
Looks like I lied to you, it wasn't Microsoft.

Try this:
http://www.carbonite.com/

Bob

Carbonate only backups internal drives, so not that usefull for the drive bay challenged.

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #22 on: 24 Nov 2010, 09:42 pm »
My external drives are given a letter, just like the internal drive is. Would that be enough?

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #23 on: 24 Nov 2010, 10:12 pm »
Raid is designed and intended for fault tolerance.  It should not be used as a backup. 

To use your bandwidth for backups to an online site is somehow very wasteful.  Hard drives are cheap and easy to use.  I spend bandwidth on streaming movies and music.  My home network would be slowed to a crawl by online backups.  Its not the wisest use of resources.  It could be used very late at night and early in the morning but even then to spend recurring fees (money) on what is so easy and cheap to do yourself just feels wrong. 
BTW, there is nothing improved by mounting multiple drives in an enclosure.  They are sources of heat and noise and packing them inside a single enclosure multplies the issues.  A terabyte of data is a shit load of stuff.   

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #24 on: 24 Nov 2010, 10:51 pm »
  A terabyte of data is a shit load of stuff.
.......And very cheap now-a-days........

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #25 on: 25 Nov 2010, 02:29 am »
My external drives are given a letter, just like the internal drive is. Would that be enough?

Bob

It is rather easy to detect the what type of drive is mounted to a given letter, but ask your buddy that uses it, I selected another because of carbonite's statement about "internal drives". Backblaze and Moxy both back up external drives and Moxy has an additional plan to do NAS drives as well.   

To use your bandwidth for backups to an online site is somehow very wasteful.  Hard drives are cheap and easy to use.  I spend bandwidth on streaming movies and music.  My home network would be slowed to a crawl by online backups.  Its not the wisest use of resources.  It could be used very late at night and early in the morning but even then to spend recurring fees (money) on what is so easy and cheap to do yourself just feels wrong.   

Actually, I don't even notice it when it backups, but I do have a reasonable good connection with unlimited bandwidth.  Any good online backup product will let you throttle or pause if you think it's consuming too much bandwidth.   What's difficult about online backups is the restore process so it is still important to have a local backup if waiting a few days for the restore process to work.    Online backups will also allow you to recover in the event of theft or fire.   

But consider this... Assume you need 4TB of storage for your media.    A 4TB drive is around $200 for 2 2TB internal drives (JBOD,RAID0,independent,etc), or $300-500 for a $4TB external drive.   I personally want my backup drives separate from the computer, but at a minimum, it's $400 to have a backup solution assuming you have the drive bays, in this case I assume you would have 5-6 HDD bays.   If you are drive bay challenged, you will need two external drives for both the data and backup which will run you at least $600 but most likely $800-1000 range.   Adding an unlimited online backup solution for $50/year is really inexpensive assuming you have a reasonable ISP that has a reasonable upload speed and doesn't limit bandwidth.   

Online backups will take several weeks if not months to backup 4TB of data, and you clearly don't want it to backup
data that changes frequently, but fore music, video and photos, this is a reasonably good solution for an automatic backup product.    But I  do value the time it took me to rip my music and I would annoyed if I lost all of my top gear episodes and I still do a local backup.

Maybe in a few years when hi-rez and lossless files are readily downloadable, stores hopefully will start to offer cloud storage for your hi-rez purchases and backups solutions won't be as expensive.
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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #26 on: 25 Nov 2010, 04:36 am »

It will take several weeks if not months to backup 4TB of data, and you clearly don't want it to backup data that changes frequently, but fore music, video and photos, this is a reasonably good solution for an automatic backup product.

Someone told me that there is a software program that automatically saves your file in two drives at the same time....

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #27 on: 25 Nov 2010, 08:58 am »
Someone told me that there is a software program that automatically saves your file in two drives at the same time....
I'm not following?  Wrong thread or just out of context?   Perhaps "software" RAID1 is what you are after, another option is snapshot style backups, but this has nothing to do with online storage. 

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #28 on: 25 Nov 2010, 02:51 pm »
Raid isn't a backup.  Unless you have more than 4TB of data it's not needed

You're high...

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #29 on: 25 Nov 2010, 09:34 pm »
You're high...

RAID has never been designed or considered a replacement to data backups, it's only meant to increase reliability of servers and disk arrays.    Just consider the various scenarios on why data could be lost.. drive failure, virus, power outage, power surge, theft, just to name a few.  RAID would only help against the drive failure and that only assumes you have a way to replace the defective drive.     

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Re: Using an external hard drive
« Reply #30 on: 25 Nov 2010, 11:54 pm »
I have seen RAID drive replacement work flawlessly in a business server environment with dedicated hardware RAID controllers (which in themselves cost more than most high-end home PCs).
 
RAID drive replacement in many home setups, software or hardware controlled, seem to be more of a crapshoot and I have seen some of those fail to rebuild a faulty drive volume.
 
As skunark said, RAID is a fault tolerance implementation, not a backup solution.  Every business system I have been associated with that used RAID storage arrays always employed a separate backup system, whether tape or hard drive.
 
Steve