AC outlets and cryo treatment

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #40 on: 12 Sep 2010, 02:58 am »
I already gots an Uber and an Electra power cord.  I gots a hospital grade receptacle.  So, I'm still not there, yet?  One of Dave's puppies gonna be a noticable improvement to my end game given that I have what I have?  Thanks.

Jim: Which hospital grade receptacle are you using currently and are you using more than one receptacle to power your system. Are the other receptacles in a conditioner, power bar or what. Sorry for my poor punctuation; I am on a new laptop and can't figure it out :lol:8

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #41 on: 14 Sep 2010, 03:30 pm »
So, with all of the receptacles that I have shipped out there are no comments?  I'm very surprised that there is nothing one way or the other.

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #42 on: 19 Sep 2010, 06:00 pm »
I finally have a decent 200 hrs.  break-in time under my belt w/ (2) new components & the subject cryo-treated Pass & Seymour receptacle.

My 2 ch rig system:

Virtue Audio M-451 int. amp w/ tube buffer & Sonicap upgrades, Virtue Audio M-1 Piano CD player, GR Research N2x speakers w/ Rythmik Audio F12G servo sub

Listening material:  Pixies- Doolittle (reference redbook CD that I'm intimately familiar w/ over the years).  I listened to a specific musical section back & forth between the (2) receptacles, then repeated for (3) other different  segments. 

An A/B comparison against a garden variety 115v/ 15 amp receptacle & volume matched w/ Rat Shack digital SPL meter yielded the following results:

The cryo-treated Pass & Seymour receptacle main characteristics I consistently noted were more detail/ distinction, better delineation between instruments, better separation & deeper soundstage.

It's a wicked good bang for the buck tweak.   :icon_twisted:

Thanks SClark for being a "guinea pig" & your excellent review, & thanks Dave for offering this sweet little nugget to your customers !  :thumb: 

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #43 on: 19 Sep 2010, 06:02 pm »
My 2 ch rig system:

Virtue Audio M-451 int. amp w/ tube buffer & Sonicap upgrades, Virtue Audio M-1 Piano CD player, GR Research N2x speakers w/ Rythmik Audio F12G servo sub


No PI Audio Buss?

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #44 on: 19 Sep 2010, 08:15 pm »
No PI Audio Buss?

I tested the receptacles w/ a 30v/ 80w power supply to the M-451 amp, but I prefer to run the amp on (2) 12v X 5 amp Dodd battery set-up.  :wink:

Having said that tho', the Magik Buss is on my radar for all my other electronics ...  :green:

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #45 on: 19 Sep 2010, 10:00 pm »
My 2 ch rig system:

Virtue Audio M-451 int. amp w/ tube buffer & Sonicap upgrades, Virtue Audio M-1 Piano CD player, GR Research N2x speakers w/ Rythmik Audio F12G servo sub

Listening material:  Pixies- Doolittle (reference redbook CD that I'm intimately familiar w/ over the years).  I listened to a specific musical section back & forth between the (2) receptacles, then repeated for (3) other different  segments. 

An A/B comparison against a garden variety 115v/ 15 amp receptacle & volume matched w/ Rat Shack digital SPL meter yielded the following results:

The cryo-treated Pass & Seymour receptacle main characteristics I consistently noted were more detail/ distinction, better delineation between instruments, better separation & deeper soundstage.

It's a wicked good bang for the buck tweak.   :icon_twisted:

Thanks SClark for being a "guinea pig" & your excellent review, & thanks Dave for offering this sweet little nugget to your customers !  :thumb:
Robert,
Sounds like we had similar results-- not terribly surprising since we have the same speakers, pre amps designed by the same designer, and very similar cd players.  Since I posted my review I also have bought a Virtue Piano cdp and find that it is quite similar in sound to my Cambridge 640.  I'd be interested to hear continued comments as you go through more of your cd library. 

jimdgoulding

Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #46 on: 19 Sep 2010, 10:04 pm »
Jim: Which hospital grade receptacle are you using currently and are you using more than one receptacle to power your system. Are the other receptacles in a conditioner, power bar or what. Sorry for my poor punctuation; I am on a new laptop and can't figure it out :lol:8
Sorry, Blake, for a tardy reply.  I really don't know the brand but it's the only receptacle in use.  All else is plugged into my Uber. 

blakep

Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #47 on: 21 Sep 2010, 12:10 pm »
Sorry, Blake, for a tardy reply.  I really don't know the brand but it's the only receptacle in use.  All else is plugged into my Uber.

I definitely think you would hear a difference replacing that receptacle. Whether it is with one of Dave's P&S's or another quality cryoed receptacle you are, in essence, feeding your whole system through that one receptacle.

Chances are that, if it is a hospital grade, it has nickel plated contacts. I'd try and avoid that with any receptacle you are going to replace it with.

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #48 on: 26 Sep 2010, 12:39 pm »
Robert,
Sounds like we had similar results-- not terribly surprising since we have the same speakers, pre amps designed by the same designer, and very similar cd players.  Since I posted my review I also have bought a Virtue Piano cdp and find that it is quite similar in sound to my Cambridge 640.  I'd be interested to hear continued comments as you go through more of your cd library.

I put in a another cryoed Pass & Seymour receptacle this weekend serving my Rythmik F12G servo sub.  Haven't done a A/B comparison yet to another nearby existing receptacle, but will do so hopefully next weekend.

Scott, re: the Piano ... I started a thread on the Virtue Audio AC forum for Piano M1 comparison to other CD players. My review was vs. Oppo BDP-83SE. I'd welcome your review/ thoughts vs. the Cambridge 640 on that thread.   8)

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #49 on: 4 Oct 2010, 12:48 pm »
To piggy-back off my last post,  I A/B'd my Rythmik F12 servo sub yesterday using the cryoed Pass & Seymour receptacle against a nearby garden variety receptacle.

Same system set-up as noted in my Sept. 19 post, except I disconnected the N2x mains & utilized servo sub only w/ current crossover set at 45 Hz (to blend w/ 60 Hz mains).

I listened to a redbook CD w/ some good bass: My Morning Jacket- Z

As was similarly noted in my earlier review, Dave's cryoed Pass & Seymour receptacle improved the servo sub performance w/ better detail & definition; less muffled/ muddy sounding.  I'm impressed !

I also got a bunch of cryoed brass screws in the mail from Dave this weekend that I didn't ask for.  Dave is the man !   :thumb:

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #50 on: 4 Oct 2010, 12:57 pm »
To piggy-back off my last post,  I A/B'd my Rythmik F12 servo sub yesterday using the cryoed Pass & Seymour receptacle against a nearby garden variety receptacle.

Same system set-up as noted in my Sept. 19 post, except I disconnected the N2x mains & utilized servo sub only w/ current crossover set at 45 Hz (to blend w/ 60 Hz mains).

I listened to a redbook CD w/ some good bass: My Morning Jacket- Z

As was similarly noted in my earlier review, Dave's cryoed Pass & Seymour receptacle improved the servo sub performance w/ better detail & definition; less muffled/ muddy sounding.  I'm impressed !

I also got a bunch of cryoed brass screws in the mail from Dave this weekend that I didn't ask for.  Dave is the man !   :thumb:

You really need to get a Buss and quit fussin' with these outlets.   :lol:

brother love

Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #51 on: 4 Oct 2010, 01:12 pm »
You really need to get a Buss and quit fussin' with these outlets.   :lol:

Baby steps ...  :green:

Seriously though, I've dropped $2,500 the past couple months on a 2 channel rig.  I need to cool it for awhile before the next big purchase, since my wife is starting to look at me in a troubling way.

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #52 on: 4 Oct 2010, 01:14 pm »
Baby steps ...  :green:
Is that how it's supposed to be done?   :duh:

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Seriously though, I've dropped $2,500 the past couple months on a 2 channel rig.  I need to cool it for awhile before the next big purchase, since my wife is starting to look at me in a troubling way.
That's it?  Just give her the same look... :lol:

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #53 on: 5 Oct 2010, 04:48 am »
That's it?  Just give her the same look... :lol:
Ooooh!  I never could muster up "that look."  I thing it is a male/female thing.  I have some good ones, but mostly they just make the grandkids laugh.

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #54 on: 11 Oct 2010, 05:07 am »
Well, I had been listening to my newly breaking in LS9s over the weekend, and they kept hinting at greatness, but not really achieving it.  Detail was missing, but I attributed it to the room from hell in which they reside.  The wife was out of town, so the furniture was pulled back, extra rugs brought in, extra raw fiberglass 703 panel placed around- the place looks like a single teenager lives here....... it all helped but it still wasn't what i had hoped.  Oh, the bass exceeded my Neo2X and sub set up in the other room, but where was the extra mid richness and detail that I had heard at Danny's house when the LS9 were just being designed? I was ready to give Danny or Dave a call and ask for help with the room...
Then I remembered that the outlets on the fireplace wall had not been changed out with the cryoed ones. 
Folks, I gotta tell you, even if it sounds odd, that a $10 outlet makes as much difference as any other upgrade in my system- more than interconnects, more than power cables, perhaps more than going from a cheap solid state Sanyo pre to the Dodd battery.  It is just pretty damn bizarre and I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't heard it for myself.  Extra detail in spades.
All issues aren't solved as this really does reside in the room from hell, but when I call the gurus (and I still need advice on the room) I won't have a note of panic in my voice.

 

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Re: AC outlets and cryo treatment
« Reply #55 on: 11 Oct 2010, 04:53 pm »
Well, I had been listening to my newly breaking in LS9s over the weekend, and they kept hinting at greatness, but not really achieving it.  Detail was missing, but I attributed it to the room from hell in which they reside.  The wife was out of town, so the furniture was pulled back, extra rugs brought in, extra raw fiberglass 703 panel placed around- the place looks like a single teenager lives here....... it all helped but it still wasn't what i had hoped.  Oh, the bass exceeded my Neo2X and sub set up in the other room, but where was the extra mid richness and detail that I had heard at Danny's house when the LS9 were just being designed? I was ready to give Danny or Dave a call and ask for help with the room...
Then I remembered that the outlets on the fireplace wall had not been changed out with the cryoed ones. 
Folks, I gotta tell you, even if it sounds odd, that a $10 outlet makes as much difference as any other upgrade in my system- more than interconnects, more than power cables, perhaps more than going from a cheap solid state Sanyo pre to the Dodd battery.  It is just pretty damn bizarre and I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't heard it for myself.  Extra detail in spades.
All issues aren't solved as this really does reside in the room from hell, but when I call the gurus (and I still need advice on the room) I won't have a note of panic in my voice.

Scott, no worries.  I split the topic off so we can get it ALL included in this Circle.

Dave