Pinch Effect

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BobM

Pinch Effect
« on: 27 Jul 2010, 07:30 pm »
Here's a new one for those of you in a technical frame of mind. I copied this from a thread over at Vinyl Engine.

Pinch effect is a term describing the consequence of a real stylus with a radius tracing in a groove made effectively by a line cutter. In which contact point height on the stylus varies with groove angle because the stylus is an imperfect fit in the groove. And so the stylus is 'pinched' and moves vertically even on a purely lateral groove.


Why pinch effect is not frequency dependant

Step 1 Peak pinch effect occurs at the instant of peak groove modulation angle
 (for some reason I can't get the picture to show-up here, so click below to see this issue visually)

http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/album_picm.php?pic_id=14272

 

Groove is cut by line edge cutter head, has same line length at C and D. Stylus size B, the maximum radius that fits at peak groove angle, is smaller than maximum size A, the maximum size that fits when groove angle is zero.

So pinch effect has a maximum at B, when groove angle is maximum, and is zero at A. The pinch effect at A, zero, is the same as a silent groove.

Step 2 Peak groove modulation angle is not frequency dependant

Peak modulation angle at B is determined solely by the peak modulation velocity, and the linear velocity. Neither of which is frequency dependant. Modulation velocity depends on level (post RIAA), and linear velocity depends on radius from spindle.

Modulation angle is simply arctan(modulation velocity/linear velocity).

I built a spreadsheet that draws a groove and calculates peak angles, given frequency, level (pre RIAA), and radius from spindle. It's here :

www.luckydog.demon.co.uk/images/groovy.xls

You can play about and see the shape and size of curves. Realistic tracking limit is an angle of 25-30 degrees, i reckon, based on observations of real trackability. Velocities that exceed 20 cm/s or accelerations that exceed 2000G are 'hot'. But 30 degrees seems a realsitic typical limit for groove angle.

Step 3 Pinch effect does not vary with frequency.

It follows that pinch effect minima at A and maxima at B are not frequency dependant, just dependant on the groove angle at B. So the plot above is generic, it applies to any frequency. Then pinch effect does not vary with frequency !

As to Jim Lesurf's and other similar web descriptions, I believe diagrams are not quite representative, and in many cases impossible to track. It matters that realistic angles and dimensions are used. Just about all of the prior publications I've found deal with stylus fit at maximum groove curvature (the peak of amplitude) rather than maximum groove angle (zero of amplitude). As far as I have checked using the spreadsheet, realistic permitted levels of high frequencies yield curvatures that accomodate normal stylii. In other words pinch effect at A is zero.

Comments, corrections, questions etc ?

Interesting eh ?

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Re: Pinch Effect
« Reply #1 on: 27 Jul 2010, 07:38 pm »
Way, way too technical for me, for one.  But I am probably not the type of person who would be considered an audience for this sort of information.  I'm in the "setting up the tone arm and cart in accordance with the mfg's instructions is more than enough" camp.  After that I just spin my records and enjoy.

Secondly, just out of curiosity what is the practical application and implications of this information?

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Re: Pinch Effect
« Reply #2 on: 28 Jul 2010, 12:54 pm »
that is exactly why i love vinylengine. Some very in-depth analysis going on over there and a fella can truly learn a thing or two about vinyl. And most importantly, they are very civil and I rarely see pissing matches.

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Re: Pinch Effect
« Reply #3 on: 28 Jul 2010, 08:03 pm »
Kinda makes this seem more complicated than it really is. Pinch effect is when a big fat stylus, normally conical, is too big to fit in the groove so it rides up,  vertically. That's about it. If you're interested in a more detailed explanation, this is interesting:
http://www.vinylengine.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22894&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

neo

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Re: Pinch Effect
« Reply #4 on: 28 Jul 2010, 08:11 pm »
Kinda makes this seem more complicated than it really is. Pinch effect is when a big fat stylus, normally conical, is too big to fit in the groove so it rides up,  vertically. That's about it.

neo

Yup - that's boiling it down to the essentials, neo :wink:

John