[malus15]

Just wondering if anyone knows how the new Kismet Mono's will stack up against my rg4's? Klaus?

I'm looking to bi amp my Maggie 20.1's so also wondering if these are a good match for the Symphonic Line?

Glad to hear about the new release!

[Eduardo AAVM]

Interesting question... I do not know...

Kismet is a super product that's for sure but also SYmphonic Line keesp being top rated and constantly wins accolades from reviewers in Europe, so it is  a hard question ...

[satfrat]

Along these same lines, is Klaus still using German crossovers from Symphonic Lines in his Kismet loudspeakers or has he developed a new crossover for them? Thanks.

Cheers,
Robin

[Eduardo AAVM]

Along these same lines, is Klaus still using German crossovers from Symphonic Lines in his Kismet loudspeakers or has he developed a new crossover for them? Thanks.

Cheers,
Robin

I guess... (and take this as the Odyssey fan I am, this is not from me as an Odyssey dealer) he has only perfectioned, you know that's the approach he and even Rolf Gemein have, maybe all began when getting Mundorf parts was getting increasingly expensive because of Euro-Dollar parity, but then you have in America the good and outstanding products from  Alpha Core so maybe it all began just as a parts subtitution and ultimately it went as far as an upgarde and fine tunning thing.

Honestly I hope Klaus keeps as much as possible relations with german companies as supliers (I praise their top engineering) but it is truth that at this point many excellent american products have a very good and competitive price edge over german competitors and also are top notch performers. Alpha Core are very nice products

Maybe the new base design for Kismet Lorelei evolved speakers is just part of that also, as getting Audio Selecion bases was getting more and more complicated.

[satfrat]

Along these same lines, is Klaus still using German crossovers from Symphonic Lines in his Kismet loudspeakers or has he developed a new crossover for them? Thanks.

Cheers,
Robin

I guess... (and take this as the Odyssey fan I am, this is not from me as an Odyssey dealer) he has only perfectioned, you know that's the approach he and even Rolf Gemein have, maybe all began when getting Mundorf parts was getting increasingly expensive because of Euro-Dollar parity, but then you have in America the good and outstanding products from  Alpha Core so maybe it al began just as a parts subtitution and ultimately it went as far as a ipgarde and fine tunning thing.

Honestly I hope Klaus keeps as much as possible relations with german companies as supliers (I praise their top engineering) but it is truth that at this point many excellent american products have a very good and competitive price edge over german competitors and also are top notch performers. Alpha Core are very nice products

MAybe the new base design for Kismet Lorelei evolved speakers is just part of that also, as getting Audio Selecion bases was getting more and more complicated.

Thanks Eduardo for your thoughts. I fully agree with what you're saying. You know how it is when something better comes along, it gets me thinking of a possible upgrade for my 4 Lorelei's ( like they really need upgrading ). It's all these little tidbits of info tho that get the creative juices flowing. It's all good.

Cheers,
Robin

[Eduardo AAVM]

I am also thinking about upgrading but as new bases may not be suitable for my small audio room, I may only get the xovers, my current xovers I understand ara upgraded but I do not know how far behind are from new Kismet refrence level.

I already announced my amplifiers and speakers for sale in Mexico I want Kismets, well as I said it will be only amplifiers now, I will keep my Loreleis but will upgrade if possible their xovers.


Bye satfrat, happy purchasing 

[Bombaywalla]

Just wondering if anyone knows how the new Kismet Mono's will stack up against my rg4's? Klaus?

I'm looking to bi amp my Maggie 20.1's so also wondering if these are a good match for the Symphonic Line?

Glad to hear about the new release!

Malus15,
I've not heard the new Kismet amp from Klaus (I missed going to RMAF this year. I attended in 2007 & met Klaus personally. He's a fun guy & boy does he know some choice curse words!  )
I've owned the RG4 Mk3 for 5 years (I now switched to the Kraft 300) & I can comfortably say that the RG4 has very few equals! It is a fantastic amp & you'll have to spend a lot more to out-do it.
I'm sure that the Kismet is an awesome amp (I would not expect anything less from Klaus) but the RG4 should be better IMHO.
FWIW.

[klaus@odyssey]

I have just listened to a friend's RG 4's and RG1 again,  and this freshening up cemented my gut feelings.  With the Kismet's I am going a completely different way than SL  does.  Of course it is still a SL  design,  but my main focus was more on the fullness,  richness,  smoothness, and pure emotional qualities.  Of course the design has inherently lots of information and detail,  but I tried to get a totally different kind of solid state amp out.  I think that we have succeeded big time,  especially for the money.  Now,  with the SL's.  RG 1,  easy.  again,  a bit different presentation,  but you have to step up to the RG 4's here.  Yes,  ultimately I would prefer the 4's simply because now they are trickle downs from the Kraft,  and no,  our amps don't even come close to the Krafts.  Just honest here.  However,  if you put the cost of the kismet at $ 4,900  vs. the RG 4's for over 12K  in consideration,  then it becomes stupid.  But,  even though different,  I also have to admit that the Rg 4's are better in most areas.


Late

[machinehead]

I guess... (and take this as the Odyssey fan I am, this is not from me as an Odyssey dealer) he has only perfectioned, you know that's the approach he and even Rolf Gemein have, maybe all began when getting Mundorf parts was getting increasingly expensive because of Euro-Dollar parity, but then you have in America the good and outstanding products from  Alpha Core so maybe it all began just as a parts subtitution and ultimately it went as far as an upgarde and fine tunning thing.

Honestly I hope Klaus keeps as much as possible relations with german companies as supliers (I praise their top engineering) but it is truth that at this point many excellent american products have a very good and competitive price edge over german competitors and also are top notch performers. Alpha Core are very nice products

Maybe the new base design for Kismet Lorelei evolved speakers is just part of that also, as getting Audio Selecion bases was getting more and more complicated.

Eduardo,

Do you know what the differences are in the Kismet Xovers and did you get yours yet?

[djbnh]

I have just listened to a friend's RG 4's and RG1 again,  and this freshening up cemented my gut feelings.  With the Kismet's I am going a completely different way than SL  does.  Of course it is still a SL  design,  but my main focus was more on the fullness,  richness,  smoothness, and pure emotional qualities.  Of course the design has inherently lots of information and detail,  but I tried to get a totally different kind of solid state amp out.  I think that we have succeeded big time,  especially for the money.  Now,  with the SL's.  RG 1,  easy.  again,  a bit different presentation,  but you have to step up to the RG 4's here.  Yes,  ultimately I would prefer the 4's simply because now they are trickle downs from the Kraft,  and no,  our amps don't even come close to the Krafts.  Just honest here.  However,  if you put the cost of the kismet at $ 4,900  vs. the RG 4's for over 12K  in consideration,  then it becomes stupid.  But,  even though different,  I also have to admit that the Rg 4's are better in most areas.


Late

Is this man honest or what? It's apparently the audio incremental improvement logarithmic curve re: $ v. diminishing returns. Best of luck to all those currently doing research.