Is Bass always the same?

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errivera

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Is Bass always the same?
« on: 29 Jan 2004, 09:48 pm »
I have a question regarding the bass of the RM40 speakers.

I have in the past heard speakers that have an incredible bass response, like the Infinity IRS and Martin Logan Statement speakers. I previously owned a pair of Infinity IRS Beta years ago and loved the bass response. So what is the question?

Years ago I purchased a pair of Carver Amazing Platinum IV speakers. For those of you that may not be familiar, the speakers have a bipolar dynamic bass driver(s) configuration. I can honestly say that I have become very spoiled by the unique sound of the Carver's bass. It is very unlike the bass of box speakers. I would attribute it, at least in part, to the lack of cabinet interaction (resonances). Also, the SPL capability and low end range of the Carvers is actually pretty incredible. Granted, they suck up power like water.

Could some of the RM40 owners out there give me their opinions on the quality of the  bass of their speakers as oposed to the Carver Platinum? I hope I am being clear. I know that the frequency response of the RM40s is impressive however, I am more interested in the sound of the bass.

I ask because I am seriously considering a near future purchase of the RM40s. I have a very incredible offer from a very gracious AC member to audition the RM40s in the near future. I just want some opinions.

Thanks in advance

SWG255

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Re: Is Bass always the same?
« Reply #1 on: 30 Jan 2004, 10:19 pm »
It has been a very, very long time since I've heard the Carver ribbons. I remember their bass as being detailed and lacking any obvious boominess. However, I don't remember it being very fast, although this may have been my impression of the bass blending with the rest of the system.

My RM40s exhibit a pronounced lack of boxiness or boominess in the bass, and they are VERY fast. There's no sense that the woofers are slower than the ribbons operating the mids and highs. Of course this can't be the case, but Brian seems to work real magic getting the appparent transient response blended between the woofers and the neo-ribbons. This speed is apparent in percussion of course, but it can also be appreciated in piano, plucked guitar and violin/viola/cello strings.  The best thing for me is that while the amount of bass produced can be prodigious, it doesn't seem to "overload" my room like my old Sunfire subwoofer did. This overloading was often impressive, but it wasn't "musical" and it masked details in the bass and extreme lower midrange.  This wasn't strictly a subwoofer balance or blending problem with the main speakers, it seemed to be how the Sunfire subwoofer developed wavefronts in the room. It may also have been the result of the motional-feedback amplification in the subwoofer. I always thought this kind of technology (also employed by the big Infinity speakers) was ideal for bass performance, but I think my experience with the RM40S seems to support Brian Cheney's contention that motion-feedback bass circuitry can't relly react properly to the actual driver motion in time to really correct bass problems. The bass sounds big, deep and impressive but lacks detail, transient quickness and a sense of "air" imparted to even low frequencies. I know "air" isn't a term usually associated with bass, but in fact a good bass reproducing chain will impart a great deal of information about the space where a recording is made, particularly the venue's apparent size.

JoshK

Is Bass always the same?
« Reply #2 on: 31 Jan 2004, 12:31 am »
Just thought I would chime in that this thread made me pull out my trusty copy of ....And Justice for All to test the bass speed on the infamous 'One'.  About 5 mins into the track the solo breaks out and the double bass is something to experience even if you aren't a metal head or don't like Metallica.  

I am very finicky about bass. In HS and college I played around with car audio and eventually that is why I got into hi-fi.  I had a 12" in a large sealed enclosure (half my trunk) running on a 500watt hi current amp.  I got a lot of "why do you have so much money spent on bass when you can't even boom?" and "crank it, I want to hear it boom".  Then I would invite them into my car for a little demo of Nine Inch Nails, KMFDM or Metallica and their hearts would jump from their chests with every hit and they knew what was up.  

Well my age has provoked my desire for the speed with maybe a little more balance.  I stopped looking after I got my RM40's.   I haven't heard the Carvers but I have heard the Infinity's and I think you'll be smiling when you hear the VMPS speakers.