A dumb question....is there a sonic advantage to computer audio?

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drphoto

Ok, so I'm the king of all dumb questions. :duh: Besides the obvious convenience of computer based audio, is their a sonic advantage that lies in doing all the error correction of the original disk during the rip rather than 'on the fly'? Seems like that makes some sense.


*Scotty*

drphoto,This is anecdotal evidence in my case,I think it sounds a lot better than CD replay when I playback a wav file from my computer. I am looking for a clearer window into the performance with less grunge and increased low level resolution and playback from computer does this for me. I also find that I play back a much larger percentage of my music collection. Once the files are loaded on your hard drive your entire music collection is just a mouse click away. It enhances the couch potato aspect of our hobby immensely.
Here are some links to FAQs relating to CD playback and potential causes of error during reading.
http://www.mscience.com/faq.html#CD
http://www.mscience.com/faq12.html
http://www.mscience.com/faq16.html
There is a very long list of things that can and probably do go wrong during the reading of a CD in a player. When the CD is securely
ripped to a hard drive it is read until right and if AccurateRip  is used the results of the rip are compared to an online database to verify the confidence of a bit accurate rip. When you playback a wavfile from the hard drive at least all of the potential errors that may be coming from a CD being read are not occuring.
Scotty

srb

I think you are absolutely right in your supposition that an error-corrected hard drive rip is better than reading off of an optical disc and performing error correction on the fly.
 
The problem becomes how to get the digital stream decoded in a DAC without introducing timing errors (jitter).  Top flight CD players, even though they are performing their error correction in real time, have an inherent advantage in that they can pass that digital data via native I2S to their internal DAC without introducing timing errors.
 
But when you output the digital data via USB, Firewire or S/PDIF to an external DAC from your computer source, you are introducing those timing errors not present in the stand-alone CD player.
 
Some of the solutions available, such as Empirical Audio's Pace Car Reclocker + external DAC, or Wavelength Audio's asynchronous USB DAC (with proprietary USB driver) can bridge the gap between computer audio and a really excellent stand-alone CD player.  But solutions like these will start at $2K - $3K.
 
So, to answer your question - there can be a sonic advantage to computer audio, but it requires careful implementation.  Then the obvious convenience and lifestyle features you noted are a big bonus.
 
Steve

JohnR

But when you output the digital data via USB, Firewire or S/PDIF to an external DAC from your computer source, you are introducing those timing errors not present in the stand-alone CD player.

I'm a bit confused about why the three are lumped together. S/PDIF carries the clock in the signal, whereas the other two don't (unless I don't understand how they work at all, which is possible).

Dan Banquer

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Ok, so I'm the king of all dumb questions. :duh: Besides the obvious convenience of computer based audio, is their a sonic advantage that lies in doing all the error correction of the original disk during the rip rather than 'on the fly'? Seems like that makes some sense.

I did this a few years ago and haven't regretted it.
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/do-it-yourself-diy-topics/building-a-pc-as-a-high-performance-digital-stereo-source.html

I have since added a word clock connected to my sound card to reduce jitter before it goes to my DAC. I have also added a back up hard drive. As far as rip software is concerned I am still using EAC in secure mode but EAC is not compatible for XP and up. You will need to get db poweramp, (or the equivalent) whose rip software is heavily based on EAC.
Regards;
d.b.

bprice2

"...but EAC is not compatible for XP and up."

EAC is not compatible with XP?  I've been using this combo for some time.

Dan Banquer

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"...but EAC is not compatible for XP and up."

EAC is not compatible with XP?  I've been using this combo for some time.

I'm surprised! I went to download that for a friend of mine about a month ago and we couldn't get it install on his system. I checked the properties of the EAC program and according to that it claimed it was not updated for XP.
Do you remember where you downloaded your version of EAC from?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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JimJ

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I downloaded my copy of EAC from exactaudiocopy.de, first result on Google :)

Been using it with XP for a while now...


Dan Banquer

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Thanks for the info.
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Dan Banquer

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But when you output the digital data via USB, Firewire or S/PDIF to an external DAC from your computer source, you are introducing those timing errors not present in the stand-alone CD player.

I'm a bit confused about why the three are lumped together. S/PDIF carries the clock in the signal, whereas the other two don't (unless I don't understand how they work at all, which is possible).

I wouldl think both USB and Firewire would carry the clock as well.
Regards;
      Dan Banquer


bprice2

"...but EAC is not compatible for XP and up."

EAC is not compatible with XP?  I've been using this combo for some time.

I'm surprised! I went to download that for a friend of mine about a month ago and we couldn't get it install on his system. I checked the properties of the EAC program and according to that it claimed it was not updated for XP.
Do you remember where you downloaded your version of EAC from?
Inquiring minds want to know.
    Regards;
            d.b.

Sorry, It's been too long and I don't remember where I downloaded it.  I did just run a Google search by entering "EAC XP."  I found several pages which described making some changes in EAC's settings.  I assume this was a procedure I must have gone through.

droht

A big +1 on computer audio opening up your music collection.  I now have everything available in the HT or 2 channel room, and will probably expand that to the kitchen next.  CDs are mostly stored.  While I'd like to put a vinyl set up together some day, I can't see myself ever going back to a CDP for ongoing useage.