Problem with Candela.......

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mcallister

Problem with Candela.......
« on: 26 Jul 2009, 11:29 am »
I either have a bad cable, bad player or something in the Candela. Haven't done too much trouble shooting yet. But here is the situation.

I ordered AV123 LS9's (3) about 2 years ago and finally received them a few weeks ago. My room isn't ideal really for this large a speaker but I have it heavily treated and it's sounding wonderful in my opinion. I did have to change the internal bass response to "small room" from the "large room" setting and it cleaned things up nicely.

I than started noticing what sounded like very muddy thick distorted bass really smearing the rest of the spectrum. Especially distorted in the mid range. I thought maybe it was either the speakers or the tubes.

I determined it was not the speakers by just playing the same music through my pre/pro. Things sounded fine and like they should.

I than ordered new tubes which arrived Friday to replace the existing tubes. After replacing the tubes the same thing occured. Muddied distorted bass. Now I'm not sure if it could be a bad cable? The output on my cd player (Using a Oppo BDP83 plan to have modded) or what. If anyone has any suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Problem with Candela.......
« Reply #1 on: 26 Jul 2009, 11:45 am »
are you running the candela through the pre/pro I just read a thread somewhere omn this sight last week about a simuler problem but i cannot find it if you. try the candella with out the the pre /pro

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THis thread but im not sure it will help

mcallister

Re: Problem with Candela.......
« Reply #2 on: 26 Jul 2009, 01:57 pm »
I am using it through the pre/pro with the HT pass through. I will try that. Also I'm going to hook up my old CD player and see if the problem still occurs. Will start some troubleshooting soon. Very tired today was up till 3:30 with a cat having kittens. :dunno:

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Re: Problem with Candela.......
« Reply #3 on: 26 Jul 2009, 01:59 pm »
There are a few things to keep in mind here, when moving from a prepro to a dedicated preamplifier.

The pre/pro uses its digital EQ to change the properties of the sound if you run the auto-calibration. This allows it to attenuate or augment high/mids/lows as they negatively effect your room to create a more "balanced sound."

Of course, this digital EQ, and using a pre/pro usually doesn't bring the music into the room as well as a dedicated 2-channel preamplifier; especially a vacuum tube preamplifier.

You mentioned you changed the tube? Did you change it to the SAME tube, or did you purchase another tube from another manufacturer? Are these newly manufactured tubes, or are they N(ew) O(ld) S(tock) tubes?

Tube rolling can completely change the sound, ESPECIALLY in the bass region. For instance, my RCA 12SN7 tubes present the bass in much the same way as you are describing which is in abundance, but sort of muddy without much articulation. However, my Sylvania 6SN7W short bases, give me bass that is super tight and punchy, but at the cost of a loss in output.

If you did try a completely and tube, and experienced the same exact thing, perhaps there is a problem.

Its also possible that the LS-9s are just too big for your room, and without your pre/pro attenuating frequency response, you are still overloading your room. The sister crossover on the back doesn't attenuate higher mid bass regions; it just curtails the response at the very very bottom of the range. So, even though you have it set to small, its probably putting out mid-bass in ridiculous amounts and this is causing muddy sounds and mid-range smearing.

I've been dealing with this problem since I got my LSs as well. 

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Re: Problem with Candela.......
« Reply #4 on: 26 Jul 2009, 04:35 pm »

I ordered AV123 LS9's (3) about 2 years ago and finally received them a few weeks ago.

Is this a typo? I couldn't get past that. Two years?

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Re: Problem with Candela.......
« Reply #5 on: 26 Jul 2009, 05:32 pm »
I am using it through the pre/pro with the HT pass through. I will try that. Also I'm going to hook up my old CD player and see if the problem still occurs. Will start some troubleshooting soon. Very tired today was up till 3:30 with a cat having kittens. :dunno:

Mike,

If I am reading this correctly you are connecting the Candela to your pre/processor.

It should be the other way around...pre/processor (main left and right outputs) to the HT inputs on the Candela. The HT input is a straight by-pass to the outputs with no attenuation (volume control), consequently if you connect any non buffered source to the HT inputs directly ( like a CD player) you are providing a very high level signal that it will be extremely loud and distorted!

Please PM me your phone number and best time to call.

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Alex
« Last Edit: 27 Jul 2009, 01:18 am by AlexG »

mcallister

Re: Problem with Candela.......
« Reply #6 on: 26 Jul 2009, 05:49 pm »
I have it hooked up correctly. I've been doing some testing and I believe it's the oppo that is the culprit. I hooked up my old cd player and the problem was solved, i think need to take a break. Will report back in soon.

mcallister

Re: Problem with Candela.......
« Reply #7 on: 26 Jul 2009, 07:54 pm »
Definitely confirmed it's the oppos 2 channel analog outs. Played some vinyl through the candela and it sounded phenomenol. So guess I better contact oppo.