I think too much

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bosjohn

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I think too much
« on: 2 Jun 2009, 05:03 am »
in obsessing about speakers and speaker design I sometime think I am loosing sight of the big picture so to speak. All the money and all the equipment and tweeks etc. not withstanding the ability of my system to re create the concert hall experience boils down to the decisions of a few audio engineers and their take on what a real live classical concert experience sounds like. I was reading an article by Roy Allison about room interaction and speakers, all stuff you guys already know but what caught my eye was towards the end of the article when he talked about concert hall acoustics. He found that a concert hall that is full or nearly full of patrons exhibited quite a bit of high end roll off at the pick a row in the orchestra section. Now we all know the mics for recording symphony concerts are way up over the orchestra and the guy doing the engineering is way up high and in the back hearing something quite different from what we the audience is hearing.
So how about rethinking the reproduction chain and only recording the raw data unmixed onto the media cd. Then designing a reproduction system using servo amps and dedicated woofers mids and tweeters etc. to control the drivers with a computer. We could then program the computer to recreate the ambiance say of symphony hall fifteen rows back in the orchestra or maybe the second row of the first balcony on the left about halfway back. or a program that reproduces the ambiance of The Milan opera house for our favorite Verdi. It seems we either have this technology now or are close. At the very least and forgive the heresy, a way to easily attenuate the high end to more depict the concert hall ambience.
John

rythmik

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Re: I think too much
« Reply #1 on: 6 Jun 2009, 05:54 pm »
The history of audio has been quite long and a lot of things had been done, but we have taken them for granted or forgot about them.  For me, the way two-channel recordings work to reproduce sound stage is simply amazing to me. There is very little science behind it. It is mostly empirical. Chesky records has a couple of CD demonstrating all the techniques of making CD.  It starts with microphone placement. The directivity of the microphone can make a difference in the perception of sound stage. In their test CD, they are able to demonstrate in good system, microphone can differentiate height (that is, sound above and below microphone). They demonstrate this using a shaker gradually move from bottom upward, pass the microphone and then towards the top.  They also demonstrate we can hear the sound behind the microphone and in front of the microphone.  This is amazing with using only 2 microphones. The art of recording is what I would call it.   In the same recording, they also demonstrate available technology to create artificial hall reverberations. That is probably what you will be interested.  However, in actual recording, a more natural method of picking up reverberations is to place one or two mics at the back seats and mix them with other channels properly.  This should compare to the early days of NHK recordings which place a microphone in front of every instrument.  We can all imagine what type of sound it reproduced.


In the early days, engineers also experiment using a dummy head and place microphones in the ears.  They have a special terminology for it. Later the project failed because our body can vibrate and also feel acoustic energy by passing that via our body. So we don't just hear the air transmission of acoustic energy, we also hear acoustic energy resonate our body and transmit to our ears.   

cplnclag

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Re: I think too much
« Reply #2 on: 7 Jun 2009, 12:30 am »
A more recent and more sophisticated recording technique akin to the dummy head thing is Ray Kimber's experiments with his Isomike. Here is a link:
http://www.isomike.com/
Our small audiophile group sat in on a recording at Weber State Univ's auditorium in Ogden, Utah and then heard the recording. It does seem to capture more of the live ambiance. I believe has had demo'd his recordings at Rocky Mountain Audio Fest.