Feel the burn: worst recordings

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Re: Feel the burn: worst recordings
« Reply #20 on: 6 Jul 2010, 01:54 am »
The sound quality of some recordings, especially when the music program is good, is like putting 1950 bias ply tires on a new Ferrari.  One particular great jazz pianist comes to mind.  And this person designs some of the best audiophile components in existence!  You just can't believe how bad is the taste of record producers/engineers. 

Do you guys generally like Chesky's sound?  My understanding is they record everything bone dry and add the ambiance electronically.       

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Re: Feel the burn: worst recordings
« Reply #21 on: 6 Jul 2010, 02:46 am »
Do you guys generally like Chesky's sound?  My understanding is they record everything bone dry and add the ambiance electronically.     

Not always. However my understanding was that they just record with a stereo pair from sufficient distance as to include the room ambience and they don't do much postprocessing.  :dunno:

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Re: Feel the burn: worst recordings
« Reply #22 on: 6 Jul 2010, 02:54 am »
I dunno why but somethin ain't quite right somehow on most of their discs that I own.  They're always pretty, I suppose, except the singer on their Carlos Heredia disc who sounds pinched and strident to my system and me, it's just somethin I can't put my finger on, sorry.

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Re: Feel the burn: worst recordings
« Reply #23 on: 6 Jul 2010, 03:01 am »
I dunno why but somethin ain't quite right somehow on most of their discs that I own.

My own theory is that the mics are too far and they capture too much of their room acoustics. Which then combine with my room acoustics and the sum of them is quite unpredictable. Their CDs that I don't like I would describe as "muffled" with too much room reverb/echo.

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Re: Feel the burn: worst recordings
« Reply #24 on: 6 Jul 2010, 03:03 am »
Nap, I think I agree.

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Re: Feel the burn: worst recordings
« Reply #25 on: 6 Jul 2010, 03:13 am »
Not always. However my understanding was that they just record with a stereo pair from sufficient distance as to include the room ambience and they don't do much postprocessing.  :dunno:

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Yes, your description above is exactly what I always thought was the case.  Then a few months ago one of my contacts said they record bone dry and add the ambiance electronically.  He's in the audio-video business and IIRC he knows one of the Chesky bro's pretty well.  I'll ask him to clarify and request the source of his info.

On the Chesky discs I have it sure sounds like real ambiance. 

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« Reply #26 on: 6 Jul 2010, 03:22 am »
On the Chesky discs I have it sure sounds like real ambiance.

IIRC their CD booklets have some kind of description of the recording technique. At least some of them, I think Valerie Joyce "The Look Of Love" has one.

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Re: Feel the burn: worst recordings
« Reply #27 on: 6 Jul 2010, 04:55 am »
Some of their songs are at this link. The copies on the link has quite a bit more compression than the pre-mastered files, but still less compressed than most rock music today. Listen to my son Matt's composition "The Heights" for an example. He's playing guitar on this one.
http://www.myspace.com/lowrentatx
Very nice!  I enjoy the music and musicianship! You have talent in the family! :thumb:

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Re: Feel the burn: worst recordings
« Reply #28 on: 6 Jul 2010, 02:38 pm »
I think you guys raise some interesting points.  I'll go a little bit further and note that sometimes it is difficult to know what the original recording was like, and all we have to go by is what is currently available.  As a general rule, I prefer my recordings "dry" without a lot of post-production processing. 

For example, I'm a Sinatra fan but I don't go bananas over it and I don't spend a lot of time talking about his music on the forums.  But he is one among many very important artists to me and I do have nearly all of his work on vinyl, some on 1/4" four track tape, and everything he recorded on CD.  For the longest time I owned a 1960s vinyl reissue of Songs for Swingin' Lovers.  It's my favorite Sinatra album and I thought it sounded just fine....until someone told me that some of Sinatra's Capitol Records albums were remastered in the early 1960s and echo was added to Frank's voice.  I noticed it was there but I didn't think it was too bad.

But after that discussion I found myself a minty 1956 original Capitol Records gray label pressing of Songs for Swingin' Lovers and I don't think the difference is subtle....but you can judge that for yourself.  Here are some 30 second clips.

You Make Me Feel So Young (Original 1956 Capitol Records Release)

You Make Me Feel So Young (EMI - Cut from the 1960s remaster)

To the casual music listener I don't think the difference will amount to a hill of beans.  But I think the original is better, and Frank's voice, while not bone dry, does sound much more natural and that is the way I like my music to sound.

The thing is that anyone who has not heard the original release wouldn't know this, because every subsequent reissue of this album used the remastered dub tape with the echo added -- even the LP boxed set that was issued by Mobile Fidelity.

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