Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses

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Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« on: 5 Dec 2008, 04:18 pm »
H All,

I thought you may be interested in the latest email I received from a company looking to use our 4B amplifier under conditions far outside the audiophile applications normally attributed to an audio amplifier. One area where our 2B's and 3B's have been used exclusively over many years is in all the airline flight simulaters produced by a company called CAE.

Other alternative uses- see below:


Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:35 AM
To: jamestanner@bryston.com
Subject: Alternative applications for Bryston amplifiers?
 
Hi!

Your power amplifiers have a solid reputation of being very robust. The impressive technical specification makes you wonder if it is possible to use them for other applications than original intended. I would like to drive an echo sounder transducer around 70 kHz with a 4B SST in bridge mode.

The power bandwidth and slew rate seems OK and stability in loads above 4 ohm/all angles sounds promising. To my questions:

·   As I understand it the amplifier output impedance at 70 kHz is mainly determined by the output filter (approx 0.8 ohm). The damping factor will of course be higher than in the audio band but that is acceptable. Will the output filter survive? The echo sounder signal has a duty cycle of less than 1%.
·   Since the load consists of a piezo element it is likely that a voltage will be generated by the load and fed into the amplifier output. Will this damage the amplifier or will the diods D1 and D2 solve the problem?
·   The amplifier is obviously designed for speaker loads (4-8 ohm). What about impedances in the range 20 to 100 ohm and phase angles -70 to +70 degrees.
·   Any other issues of concern for this application?
 
Best Regards
Anders Eriksson
Sweden
ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems




Hi Anders;
 
Thanks for your recent inquiry.  Bryston amplifiers have often been used in non-speaker and supersonic applications.  70KHz is within the 4B SST amplifier's power bandwidth.  It will have no difficulty driving loads in that frequency range.  The output filter will easily handle the current delivered into a 20-100 Ohm load at 70KHz, especially if the duty cycle is <100%.  The output commutating diodes are designed to prevent reverse-biasing the output transistors, which could happen if flyback spikes are returned to the amplifier by inductive loading under certain circumstances.  Capacitive loading won't do this, but Bryston amplifiers have been designed to run capacitive loading without difficulty.  Reactive loading does display energy storage, increasing the heating in the output transistors, but in the case of impedances in the range you describe, at low duty cycles, there should be no issue with heat generation.
 
Bryston amplifiers have in the past been used for:

1. generating magnetic currents in buried coils
2. for geological exploration and mining,
3. for delivering supersonic pulses into the clouds for weather pattern prediction,
4. for generating sonar pulses by navy ships,
5. for directly driving the precessing motor for an observatory telescope,

and a number of other unusual or alternative applications with great success. 

I am sure your requirements are well within the 4B SST's design capabilities.  However, if modifications are required for any purpose, Bryston will be pleased to assist with any engineering that may be required.  I hope the above is helpful, but please let me know if you have any other questions, and thank you for thinking of Bryston.
 
Sincerely,
Chris Russell
Bryston Ltd.




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Re: Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« Reply #1 on: 5 Dec 2008, 04:36 pm »
Cool... I use a 3BSST in my guitar rig with a Line 6 POD PRO through 2 Marshall Vintage 4x12 Cabinets...

I noticed the difference between the ST to SST series more than in my Hi-Fi system when I upgraded from a 3B-ST in my guitar rig... it was way more "musical" and reacted more naturally.  The POD PRO emulates various classic tube guitar amplifiers... through the 3BSST it sounds 99.5% the same as my 66' Marshall JTM45 head.

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Re: Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« Reply #2 on: 8 Dec 2008, 11:23 am »
That's pretty cool...I imagine a 4BSST (or even a 14BSST) makes a great bass amp.

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Re: Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« Reply #3 on: 24 Mar 2009, 05:54 am »
That's pretty cool...I imagine a 4BSST (or even a 14BSST) makes a great bass amp.

The new 4bsq doesnt have the 1/4 phono jacks out the back unlike the 4bsst which i think came standard. I am sure they can be installed upon request though or maybe not?

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Re: Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« Reply #4 on: 24 Mar 2009, 06:09 am »
That's pretty cool...I imagine a 4BSST (or even a 14BSST) makes a great bass amp.

The new 4bsq doesnt have the 1/4 phono jacks out the back unlike the 4bsst which i think came standard. I am sure they can be installed upon request though or maybe not?

Hang on i take that back, maybe my old 4bsst didnt have phono jacks. thought it did, was lookin on audiogon and it seems none that showed the rear had them.

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Re: Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« Reply #5 on: 24 Mar 2009, 10:45 am »
Hi werd,

Yes the amplifiers will take a phono jack. If you look close you will see the phono input in the center of the XLR connector. These connectors are called 'combination' connectors and can accept Balanced XLR or 1/4 inch phone jack.

james

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Re: Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« Reply #6 on: 24 Mar 2009, 02:56 pm »
Hi werd,

Yes the amplifiers will take a phono jack. If you look close you will see the phono input in the center of the XLR connector. These connectors are called 'combination' connectors and can accept Balanced XLR or 1/4 inch phone jack.

james


Oh yah right.... i noticed that earlier with my 4bsst and failed to recognized that again with my 4bsq. Thanks James.

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Re: Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« Reply #7 on: 25 Mar 2009, 08:06 pm »
Dear Bryston,

Since the ninnies in goverment have told us "No more waterboarding..." I was wondering what kind of discount we could get on a bulk purchase of amplification devices? 

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Re: Bryston Amplifiers - Alternative uses
« Reply #8 on: 25 Mar 2009, 10:29 pm »
Wow I never even thought about using a Bryston for a guitar amp....  Using a Mesa/Boogie single rectifier as a pre may produce some interesting results :o