Help with Speaker Cap

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Gvt1911

Help with Speaker Cap
« on: 27 Sep 2008, 10:47 pm »
Hey Guys,
I have a pair of Renaissance Audio 201.2 speakers. They use only 1 cap on the tweeter. It is a Phillips 4.7mfd cap. I would like to replace cap with one that has less "sizzle" on the cymbals. Looking for a warmer sounding cap. Simple enough to do, just want some opinions.  :scratch:
Thanks

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Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #1 on: 29 Sep 2008, 01:00 am »
Vishay MKT1822 is the best sounding cap in the world. I know, because I've tried them all!

Buy them at www.mouser.com

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Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #2 on: 29 Sep 2008, 01:22 am »
Haven't tried them all but I like these http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=027-552. Used them in my Meadowlark Kestrels.

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Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #3 on: 29 Sep 2008, 03:01 am »
You might evaluate all the parts in your crossover networks and consider rebuilding your complete crossovers with better parts.  Erse XQ air core inductor coils are probably an excellent upgrade of stock parts at a reasonable price.  There are lots of choices in top quality capacitors...I like Sonicap...and do add 0.1uf bypass capacitors to the tweeter caps and maybe also the woofer cap.  The resistors might be OK, or top quality wound resistors like Mills might be an upgrade.

I've done a complete rebuild, and the result is like new, very good, speakers for $100.

sturgus

Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #4 on: 29 Sep 2008, 03:06 am »
You could try to bypass it with a .47uf paper in oil. Maybe Jenson, or VH.
Sturgus

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Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #5 on: 1 Oct 2008, 05:43 pm »
Joe,

If they were mine, I might try the 100 volt Jupiter speaker caps.  Don't know why, but they appeal.  Cheap but good alternatives are the Dayton caps from PE and the Xicon poly caps.

I know, because I've tried all caps in all crossovers in all speakers, and in all coupling and bypass positions in every amplifier ever made :: :D.

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Gvt1911

Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #6 on: 1 Oct 2008, 08:18 pm »
Thanks to all who responded. I just installed a Solen 4.7 mfd cap. I had good results with these in the past and have to let it break in. Since there is ONLY ONE cap on the tweeter, any change will be noticeable. Did not want to go with Sonicaps or Hovlands, they are more detailed and revealing. Maybe a bypass cap will help ? :scratch:
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markC

Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #7 on: 1 Oct 2008, 08:55 pm »
Sounds like a paper in oil may be in order. I find Solens tend to blur the sound a little. Will likely mask the extra sparkle like your after, but you may also loose some detail.

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Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #8 on: 1 Oct 2008, 09:18 pm »
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Did not want to go with Sonicaps or Hovlands, they are more detailed and revealing.

This really struck me as odd.

While those two caps are very different in their construction and sound I find it odd that any cap would be referred to as too detailed or revealing.

All caps color or take away something to some degree or another, and they can all sound very different. They can add bad things too, but can't add to the detail levels that are already present in the signal. They can only take it away or smear it out.

That is a bit like saying I don't want them to sound too good, too real, or too clean.

markC

Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #9 on: 1 Oct 2008, 09:38 pm »
Not to speak for someone else, but it sounds like the 'Gov is attempting to use cap swapping as tone controls?

Gvt1911

Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #10 on: 3 Oct 2008, 10:13 am »
Not to speak for someone else, but it sounds like the 'Gov is attempting to use cap swapping as tone controls?

That's it in a nutshell. Dropped in a Solen 4.7 mfd cap and now the speakers sound the way I want them to sound. They are perfect for the room size, electronics, type of music and loudness level I play them. aa
Thanks for all the suggestions !

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Re: Help with Speaker Cap
« Reply #11 on: 3 Oct 2008, 01:13 pm »
Good choice, the Solens are very good capacitors.