need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's

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weirdo

need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« on: 17 Jan 2008, 09:55 pm »
I have AVA SS gear and some revealing speakers. I am thinking about upgrading my CD player and I have about a grand to spend. I am mulling over getting an AVA DAC or upgrading the player. I am way more interested in music rather than specs, but the current Cambridge Audio 640 V1 could use an update and the CA 840 has solid reviews. My 640 is almost 4 years old and I don't feel I am getting all of the classical music nuance I deserve in my old age. Have any of you folks been at this decision point?  Some input appreciated. Thanks  dk

saisunil

Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #1 on: 17 Jan 2008, 10:12 pm »
Pick up a modded Tube Research Labs Player in $1000 ball park - considered by many one the best player there is.

I have one - I am going to change it for a battery mod.

Give Paul at TRL a call. you can search the net for TRL
http://tuberesearchlabs.com/contactus.htm

Good Luck


Big Red Machine

Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #2 on: 17 Jan 2008, 10:14 pm »
I have a PS AUdio DLIII DAc and it is outstanding in stock form.  Frank's DACs are really good BTW.

Should this be in the Audio Circle instead?

Wayner

Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #3 on: 17 Jan 2008, 10:17 pm »
Get Frank's DAC. If your current CD player's transport is fine, that is the way I would go.

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Zheeeem

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Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #4 on: 17 Jan 2008, 10:28 pm »
I have AVA SS gear and some revealing speakers. I am thinking about upgrading my CD player and I have about a grand to spend. I am mulling over getting an AVA DAC or upgrading the player. I am way more interested in music rather than specs, but the current Cambridge Audio 640 V1 could use an update and the CA 840 has solid reviews. My 640 is almost 4 years old and I don't feel I am getting all of the classical music nuance I deserve in my old age. Have any of you folks been at this decision point?  Some input appreciated. Thanks  dk

I have been a customer of Frank's for 30 years.  Other than the very first piece of gear I got from him (Jensen's actually), buying his DAC was the best upgrade I've ever made.  I cannot imagine ever going back to an all-in-one CDP.

FWIW, the first bit of gear I got from FVA was a FET-5 Mark II.

martyo

Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #5 on: 17 Jan 2008, 11:09 pm »
AVA DAC   :duh:  :D

Big Red Machine

Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #6 on: 17 Jan 2008, 11:19 pm »
AVA DAC   :duh:  :D
Marty, how's your schedule this spring?  Can you and your lovely wife with the good taste in speakers make it out if I have a GTG?

gjs_cds

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Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #7 on: 18 Jan 2008, 12:52 am »
For what it's worth--there was a recent article published in a peer-reviewed journal of acoustics that essentially measured standard CDs to higher resolution recordings (SACD, DVD-A).  Theory being--that the higher sampling, thus yielding higher resolution, would sound better.

Well--it didn't.  Hundreds of participants, over a vast array of audio systems (from budget to ultra-high-end) were not able to consistently differentiate the formats at reasonable listening levels.  (They could, however, at unlistenably loud levels.  Which, if one did that for long enough--one would eventually ruin their ability to differentiate such a difference!)

In short--I used to buy into the idea that upsampling would yield better sound.  The data clearly does not support this hypothesis.

In short--it seems that the analog circuitry after the DAC may be just as (if not more) important than the DAC itself.  And since standard 16 bit seems to be every bit as good as higher resolution formats--it seems that Frank's DAC would be a no-brainer.

It took me a while to come to this realization--but it seems that bowing down to the almighty sampling rate isn't what it's cracked up to be.
« Last Edit: 19 Jan 2008, 04:57 pm by gjs_cds »

martyo

Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #8 on: 18 Jan 2008, 12:58 am »
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Marty, how's your schedule this spring?  Can you and your lovely wife with the good taste in speakers make it out if I have a GTG?

Pete,

When you get some dates let us know. She has a couple of weekends out of town for work and 2 others she'll be in Boston and Boise visiting family. And you never know when a weekend trip to see our daughter at school gets in the rotation. The more notice we have the better.
If you get something planned we'll do our best to make it. Again, very hospitable of you.

Marty

martyo

Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #9 on: 18 Jan 2008, 01:04 am »
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In short--I used to buy into the idea that upsampling would yield better sound.  The data is clearly does not support that hypothesis.

In short--it seems that the analog circuitry after the DAC may be just as (if not more) important than the DAC itself.  And since standard 16 bit seems to be every bit as good as higher resolution formats--it seems that Frank's DAC would be a no-brainer.

It took me a while to come to this realization--but it seems that bowing down to the almighty sampling rate isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Welcome to the club.  :thumb:   All it will take now is chancing the 30 day money back guarantee to actually prove it to your ears.   I had to prove it to myself too.   :)  8)

Dan Kolton

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Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #10 on: 18 Jan 2008, 04:48 pm »
AVA Ultra DAC, no question!  BTW, I had the Omegastar before the Hybrid before the Ultra before the 6N1P Ultra.  Each was a discernable improvement over the previous, and the transports I've tried (Phillips, JVC DVD, and Marantz) have made no audible difference, only convenience and features.

rustneversleeps

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Re: need a bit of acvice regarding DAC's
« Reply #11 on: 18 Jan 2008, 07:53 pm »
The one on Agon has been sold, but I think the guy changed his mind. I'd have offered him more, but he said it was sold.